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    FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    I have been thinking about this for a wee while, and whither I should stick a thread in to try and explain to myself and others what is going on in my head religion wise- if anything at all.

    I guess now I am :P

    For a wee while I have considered myself an atheistic pagan. In other words someone who has a deep love and reverence for nature, but does not believe in a god/goddess or any of the magic stuff. The natural cycle of what the world does is worth much more praise than any God or Goddess I have yet discovered.

    I think I stopped trying to believe in a God/Goddess this summer when quite a few people I loved died around me. I felt like I HAD to find something to believe in but nothing felt really right, so when the shock of losing people happened I realized didn't want to believe and that I didn't have try anymore.

    I am still very much exploring what it means to be what I am at this point, so I am hoping that any questions you guys may want to ask I can answer and hopefully your questions will help me learn more about what is going through my head!

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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    I've read up a bit on Atheistic Paganism and it sounds similar to Naturalist Pantheism. Apart from the focus on paganism, is there a difference between the two?
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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Strange...based on what you're saying, it sounds to me like you could drop the "Pagan" part entirely

    There's nothing inherently spiritual about having a full appreciation of the world around us...finding nature interesting seems to be a favourite pastime of a lot of Atheists

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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Caelia View Post
    I've read up a bit on Atheistic Paganism and it sounds similar to Naturalist Pantheism. Apart from the focus on paganism, is there a difference between the two?
    It is very similar. Personally the only difference between what I would say I feel and Naturalist Pantheism is some old habits that I think many people who have dabbled in paganism pick up. I (for example) still use my Goddess cards and use my crystals as comfort. Those sort of things I think set us apart. Naturalist Pantheism is all about having reverance for the REAL universe, whereas I still like to look at things that have not been explained and find them fascinating/comforting.
    But that is really such a tiny difference it really doesn't add any new dimention to it.

    Strange...based on what you're saying, it sounds to me like you could drop the "Pagan" part entirely

    There's nothing inherently spiritual about having a full appreciation of the world around us...finding nature interesting seems to be a favourite pastime of a lot of Atheists
    I don't think I'm quite ready to drop the pagan side yet. I still (as I said above) hold a few pagan habits and things that hold me to it quite contently. I can't bring myself to believe in a God/Goddess, its just not happening. But I would like to know IF I could be wrong.
    In essence I CAN'T believe/try to believe anymore, but I'd still like to KNOW.


    Hope that made sense. I've never actually thought about how to explain the conection I still feel to paganism before. It just seems natural. X
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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roknrol View Post
    There's nothing inherently spiritual about having a full appreciation of the world around us...
    While I agree....I MUST say that there certainly can be something spiritual (and magical, for that matter), about it while staying firmly in an atheistic frame set. To acknowledge the gaps in scientific knowledge with wonder and reverence doesn't necessarily mean inserting deity.
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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Hmmmm

    I've always found it puzzling for someone to appreciate or revere nature, while being atheist at the same time. To me that's like praising a painting while refusing to praise the painter.
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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dumuzi View Post
    Hmmmm

    I've always found it puzzling for someone to appreciate or revere nature, while being atheist at the same time. To me that's like praising a painting while refusing to praise the painter.
    From the perspective of an artist: I wouldn't want to be praised for a masterpiece, the masterpiece is what should be praised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyWitch View Post
    It is very similar. Personally the only difference between what I would say I feel and Naturalist Pantheism is some old habits that I think many people who have dabbled in paganism pick up. I (for example) still use my Goddess cards and use my crystals as comfort. Those sort of things I think set us apart. Naturalist Pantheism is all about having reverance for the REAL universe, whereas I still like to look at things that have not been explained and find them fascinating/comforting.
    But that is really such a tiny difference it really doesn't add any new dimention to it.



    I don't think I'm quite ready to drop the pagan side yet. I still (as I said above) hold a few pagan habits and things that hold me to it quite contently. I can't bring myself to believe in a God/Goddess, its just not happening. But I would like to know IF I could be wrong.
    In essence I CAN'T believe/try to believe anymore, but I'd still like to KNOW.


    Hope that made sense. I've never actually thought about how to explain the conection I still feel to paganism before. It just seems natural. X
    Have you done any reading on Panentheism?

    It is the belief that God's physical body is the universe and everything in it, and that God also transcends this universe. Existence is a part of God, but God is larger than existence. It is similar but different to pantheism, which says that the universe IS God in totality. It is also a belief in a genderless God, and God as the creator.

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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Lunacie View Post
    Have you done any reading on Panentheism?

    It is the belief that God's physical body is the universe and everything in it, and that God also transcends this universe. Existence is a part of God, but God is larger than existence. It is similar but different to pantheism, which says that the universe IS God in totality. It is also a belief in a genderless God, and God as the creator.

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_pa...#ixzz1E97KFREr
    I will read up on it just now. No I had never heard of it before, however from the way you describe it I don't think it will be anything other than a casual interest to me. It still holds a bit too much "God" for me. X
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    Re: FantasyWitch on the Fence- Ask an Atheistic Pagan

    Please remember that the following are only my opinions and subject to total obscurity at any moment ...

    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyWitch View Post
    It is very similar. Personally the only difference between what I would say I feel and Naturalist Pantheism is some old habits that I think many people who have dabbled in paganism pick up. I (for example) still use my Goddess cards and use my crystals as comfort. Those sort of things I think set us apart.
    No worries about divination or using stuff ... The crystals themselves have power ... Everything does in its own way ... As with your tarot cards ... it is the cards themselves as well as the power within you yourself and your connection with the cards that really matters ... Not whether some idea of deity has intervened on your behalf ...

    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyWitch View Post
    Naturalist Pantheism is all about having reverance for the REAL universe, whereas I still like to look at things that have not been explained and find them fascinating/comforting.
    But that is really such a tiny difference it really doesn't add any new dimension to it.
    Everything is nature ... All things ... Whether we can understand them at this particular time or not ... Natures existence does not depend on human understanding ... If something is, then it is ... Simple as that ... The stars were here before humans were and will be long after we and our awe are gone ...

    Quote Originally Posted by FantasyWitch View Post
    I don't think I'm quite ready to drop the pagan side yet. I still (as I said above) hold a few pagan habits and things that hold me to it quite contently. I can't bring myself to believe in a God/Goddess, its just not happening. But I would like to know IF I could be wrong.
    In essence I CAN'T believe/try to believe anymore, but I'd still like to KNOW.
    I will always have my habits ... No matter what my beliefs are ... I will always put a piece of hematite in my pocket when I go into new situations ... I will always put little fertilizer pegs by plants that grow wild when I go berry picking ... Not because some God/dess wants me to but because I have at least a reverence for nature itsself ...
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