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    Question What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    One way to show that the Neopagan Community not only exists, but cares about itself and others is to set up institutions. More than just multicultural get-togethers, these need to be Exclusively Pagan, though there is no reason not to allow anybody to donate resources to the cause.

    Food Banks, Charities, Seminaries, private schools to raise children in a way that is more in line with Pagan ways, Used clothing and goods distributors (e.g. a pagan "Goodwill"), etcetera.

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    Well, since I put it up, I'll start.

    I'd probably go with a seminary. Sure, anyone can donate their time, money, resources or effort to help, but it definitely has to be focused on Pagan Traditions. Through this, Reconstructionists would have an accessible means to the scholarly articles that are so necessary to building an informed practice. It can also be a visible place for Wiccan traditions to congregate and initiate - you don't have to know the right folks, to find the tradition that moves you.

    I would want a piece of paper from this seminary to be a demonstration of deep, broad, and thorough understanding of the Neopagan community.
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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    Personally? If I were to set up a Pagan organisation I would focus on education - volunteers to teach classes to school-age kids, and I would insist that it teach nothing about religion (the purpose would be to illustrate how "kind" Pagans are by volunteering their time- making it non-religious shuts up the Christians (who try to do the same thing but overload it with proselytising).

    Money isn't important. Education and helping people is. That's my stance on religious organisations. I believe that as long as you leave the "religion" out of the mix, then the "helping people" portion becomes worthwhile. As soon as you bring religion into it, you've cheapened the entire experience (for you, as well as who you're trying to help).
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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    To paraphrase Groucho Marx (I think), I don't think I would want to join any organisation that was likely to accept me as a member....

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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    I've thought about this too, there should be a pagan group formed online at least where we can donate some of our money and put it to good use. Save the rainforest, world wildlife fund, almost anything nature-related we could find. Get pagans of all different walks of life to make an impact on the world. make us be seen and them to be unable to say anything nasty about it.
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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    I would like to create a physical four-year Pagan-themed university, aimed at adding Post-Grad once things have shaken out for a while.

    And by Pagan-themed, I don't mean a place teaching such fictions as found in joints like "Liberty University" or at "Bob Jones University." I mean a real college able to issue real degrees -- even if it's only in every Degree program that isn't completely religion-based.

    (hey, I've had my eyes on a 52-acre parcel with some buildings on it that's for sale just a little south of Exit 80 hereabouts -- lottery winnings, anybody?)

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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
    To paraphrase Groucho Marx (I think), I don't think I would want to join any organisation that was likely to accept me as a member....
    Not even if you're in charge, or at least your input valued? Think of the good that can be done, and think of the chance we have to rightly set up these institutions - like Rok's idea of leaving proselytizing aside when it comes to charitable services, even if they're from religious institutions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roknrol View Post
    Personally? If I were to set up a Pagan organisation I would focus on education - volunteers to teach classes to school-age kids, and I would insist that it teach nothing about religion (the purpose would be to illustrate how "kind" Pagans are by volunteering their time- making it non-religious shuts up the Christians (who try to do the same thing but overload it with proselytising).

    Money isn't important. Education and helping people is. That's my stance on religious organisations. I believe that as long as you leave the "religion" out of the mix, then the "helping people" portion becomes worthwhile. As soon as you bring religion into it, you've cheapened the entire experience (for you, as well as who you're trying to help).
    I'll disagree with ya about the money part, only to say that money is a means to further the end of helping people. Then again, that faith-based initiative money out there might even help us set up a Discordian Daycare center if we pitch it right...

    I was hoping for something which might assert something of the identity of the movement, while at the same time respecting it's diversity and openness. Rok, your idea sorta does that, but I'm uncertain of how much of the movement's identity it asserts.
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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    It doesn't assert the movement's identity - Marketing is a different department
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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    Quote Originally Posted by AzazelEblis View Post
    Not even if you're in charge, or at least your input valued? Think of the good that can be done, and think of the chance we have to rightly set up these institutions - like Rok's idea of leaving proselytizing aside when it comes to charitable services, even if they're from religious institutions.
    Good grief - Could anyone imagine me in charge of anything? It'd be chaos!

    On a more serious note, something I would very much like to see is pagan groups aquiring land for their own purposes, so that they could practice rituals in private without having to hide from others or risk being interrupted by people singing hymns. I think that would be a good start.

    And I think in some ways that the Pagan forum is the greatest resource we have, because it not only gives us privacy, room to talk and expand along whatever path we choose, but it also enables us to meet people we would otherwise never have got to know. For me - with all the social skills of a hedgehog - that is a great blessing.

    Do you think perhaps that the PF could move a little more in the direction of the original post? For example, with regard to academic articles, maybe if anyone is looking for anything specific there should be a thread for that, so that anyone with academic interests who has something that could be interesting could send a copy to them by way of pm? (Posting it online could incur copyright wrath, I know) But it's a fascinating concept... one that would benefit from continued discussion.

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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    There's also the idea of some of our more ambitious members of the Pagan communities forming a Pagan Think-Tank, set up to be balanced with voices from the Liberal, Centrist, and Conservative viewpoints working together. There are any number of topics they could kick-off their operations with.

    Although I'm not a Pagan "group," my wife and I have made this step: the Groves of the Greene Man's Denne for our area Pagans both solitary and groups.
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    Re: What sort of Pagan Institution would you set up?

    would a completly pagan self sustaining coummunity be overkill?
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