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    Views of Deity, the Gods, etc...

    Having just read this rather interesting post @ Patheos, I though it would be an interesting topic to discuss...

    What/Who are "the gods" anyhow?
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    I think they were once people that achieved the status of god/goddess, were granted divine powers and are representations of things in nature and ideals. I think they can walk with people and inspire and help us.

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      Is that Michael York's monotheist apologist article?
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        I generally see them as the personification of natural forces and human concepts.
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          Originally posted by Ananta Androscoggin View Post
          Is that Michael York's monotheist apologist article?
          It's by a Michael York. Not sure I'd call it monotheist apologist unless he's going at the topic from a weird angle.
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            Interesting article...a lot to digest.

            My perspective is still mid-shift, but I don't think I agree with him. Gods and goddesses often fit into more then one of the categories he describes. My brain is a bit shot at the moment, though, or else I'd come up with a good example.

            He also doesn't discuss ancestral deities.

            Anyway...answering Thal's OP question: The way I see the world, at least at the moment, is that there might be an ultimate divine(what he calls a "super-god) but if so, I doubt it takes much interest in our affairs. I am reaching a place where I reverence the Norse gods as the oldest ancestors, whether in reality or as archetypes doesn't really matter. They are not perfect, but they are far older and wiser then I am. That doesn't really seem to fit in his system.
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              For me, deity is the driving creative and destructive force that powers the universe, the Great Mystery, Bon Dieu, God/Goddess/All That Is, whatever you want to call it.

              Deities are also personifications of natural forces, when elements and phenomenon become more than fire, water, rain, storm, coyote; when They are Fire, Water, Rain, Storm, Coyote.

              Deities can be thought-forms given so much energy that They became Gods - God, Allah, JHVH, Zoroaster, Mithra, Eris Esoterica, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Cthulhu.

              Deities are sometimes revered ancestors - Marie LaVeau, Jesus Christ.

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                This is something that I am currently spending a lot of time both researching and thinking about. Because of this I have to admit my views do seem to be changing almost daily but I think they are slowly becoming more concrete each time they change.

                I think I may be leaning towards an Emanationism view of Deity, and the Universe, but it is a concept that I am still trying to wrap my brain around. I believe the thing that separates us from the Gods is that they are much closer to the original source; that and their immortality. And I think I am becoming a hard polytheist.
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                  I used to call myself a soft polytheist, believing that all gods were one God and all goddesses one Goddess, but now I think I'm a hard polytheist.
                  I think that we create the gods through our worship and reverence, that we elevate them to godhood. I'm still working on my ideas, but this is my feeling right now.

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                    Like others here, I've been working on this question for a long time...

                    As of right now, based on my own subjective investigations (which means I can't "prove" anything), I would put it like this:

                    The gods are a part of that part of the continuum of human experience which seems to be percieved through imagination.

                    It isn't that the Gods are imaginary - it's that "imagination" is the sense which allows us to perceive them, in the same way that "hearing" is the sense which allows us to perceive a particular type of energy as "sound."

                    What we perceive as a deity isn't what the deity actually is any more than the sounds we hear are the actual energy which we perceive as sound - but it is the closest metaphor to that which our physical structure will allow us to grasp.
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                      I love that, Corbin.
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                        I believe the powers of creation are in all things and therefor all things are part of that power. I also believe that the power can manifest itself in any form ( Be that Man/Woman/Plant/Animal or disembodied voice or thought,etc. ) it wishes to so as to present itself in such a way that it can be understood and excepted by whomever/whatever it wishes to have interaction with. This to me explains the many religions in the world that base them self's on similar principles ( Even though things often get muddled by individuals interpretations) and even the one's that are vastly different from all others.
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                          To me gods are gods. probably as our ancestors thought of them. Higher beings who have some influence on the mortal world though their aspects (love, storms, war...etc). I have a hard time seeing them as thoughtforms or justs something through which we channel to achieve a desired effect.

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