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    Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    I was a bit supprised that Fox news was the first to put this up,but follow the link below.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/18...test+-+Text%29


    When told the school would also accept other religious texts,the mom offered some spell books,but was rejected.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    This is interesting and the fact fox did it is surprising. This is one of the reasons there is a separation of church and state. They shouldn't have distributed bibles, there should be no religion in schools. The way they take the bibles but not the spell books is just plain hypocritical. If they want to muddy school with religion at the very least they could muddy it equally with all faiths
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    This has been news in the Pagan blogosphere for the past few weeks...I'm not terribly surprised.

    ...though, I'm not surprised their online news ran this--they are less biased than their TV network news. Heck, our local FOX channel is one of the better local newscasts.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    I can actually understand a school not accepting 'spell books'. Most spellbooks, especially spell encyclopedias, are short on actual religion and philosophy. I've donated plenty of copies of the Farrars' Witches Bible, Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft (aka Big Blue Book), Drawing Down the Moon, etc. to hospital chaplains, prison libraries & administrative staff, school libraries, regular ol' library-libraries, and never had a single one refused. I've even seen books I've donated on actual library shelves, which always makes me feel good, like, "hey, they didn't just relegate this to their used book sales!"
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    I agree that I don't think spell books were the best idea to donate. But good for her for standing up for her path!
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    I think there could have been a better choice than spell books.....though, she may have taken other books too, and all the media picked up on was "spell books", or she might have chosen spell books thinking that while they might accept something like DDTM, they would reject "How to turn your ex-boyfriend into a toad and other spells".

    FWIW, I'm not terribly surprised either way that the end result of a (I believe, rural) North Carolina school district was a big fat no.
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    Its nice to see someone stand up for the separation of church and state. I used to dislike school when I was younger because of the strong Christian traditions. Bibles were handed out, prayers were said before every event, and I got in trouble once for refusing to bow my head during a prayer. Looking back, I wish I had known what proper actions to take.

    And as for the spell book bit, are we sure they were actually spell books? I mean since she practices Witchcraft, they may have just assumed they were spell books. Most books I own on Wicca have a few spells in them or at least how to write a spell. That could be all they paid attention to. Articles don't always word things correctly in my experience.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    Quote Originally Posted by GypsySeaWitch View Post
    And as for the spell book bit, are we sure they were actually spell books? I mean since she practices Witchcraft, they may have just assumed they were spell books. Most books I own on Wicca have a few spells in them or at least how to write a spell. That could be all they paid attention to. Articles don't always word things correctly in my experience.
    Every article I have read (including commentary from Pagan authors, some of which are closer to the story than I am) have specifically said "spell books". And more than one person has pointed out in comments of blogs discussing the event some variation of "spell books are a bad call". So really, who knows?
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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    Dude. North Carolina Public Schools need to quit provoking religious lawsuits. I considered suing a few years ago, and I should have, but the limitation is up.

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    Re: Pagan mom challenges Bibles in North Carolina school

    I'd have offered my copy of the Satanic Bible, the Koran, the Tao Te Ching, the Principia Discordia, the Upanishads, and all sorts of goodness.
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