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[anunitu]

This explains a lot,it would seem from this that the name Satan was taken to describe Lucifer( I think that was Angel of Light) in to a darker figure depicted as the image we see now as the Red demon with the horns. In a way to connect Pagan beliefs with this darker aspect,to color Pagans as "Demonic".

[Sean R. R.]

This explains a lot,it would seem from this that the name Satan was taken to describe Lucifer( I think that was Angel of Light) in to a darker figure depicted as the image we see now as the Red demon with the horns. In a way to connect Pagan beliefs with this darker aspect,to color Pagans as "Demonic".

I agree completely. Painting others as bad is a common way to make people adhere to beliefs, ideologies and more.

[Medusa]

Would you consider Theistic Satanists to be Pagan? I ask because this has come up quite alot with Satanism. As an Atheistic Satanist, I do not consider myself to fall under the Pagan umbrella. But it seems your branch might fight quite well there.

[Sean R. R.]

Would you consider Theistic Satanists to be Pagan? I ask because this has come up quite alot with Satanism. As an Atheistic Satanist, I do not consider myself to fall under the Pagan umbrella. But it seems your branch might fight quite well there.

Most of the deities we believe in are from either Sumerian or egyptian origin. The rituals are often based in ancient traditions, among other things. I think it would fit quite alright into paganism.

[Stoph]

Chocolate or Pisctaio icecream?

[Sean R. R.]

Chocolate or Pisctaio icecream?

Chocolate.

[anunitu]

Chocolate.,but with Pisctaio on the side(the nuts not the ice cream)

[Ophidia]

I've got a kind of a strange question - I'm not intending it to be offensive, but I understand if it comes off that way. I'm not sure how else to ask it & make it sound politically correct.

I don't know how well-traveled you are, SeanRave, and I'm just gonna blurt it out - have you noticed there seems to be more Satanists coming from South America & Mexico than other parts of the world?

I only ask because the Satanists I've met IRL or encountered online, with a few exceptions, all seem to be from South America or Mexico. I don't know if it's because there's more Satanism tied into Santeria & Candomble, if it's more accepted to be an out-of-the-closet Satanist, or the recent upsurge of Santisma Muerte worship has something to do w/it, or if it's just because I'm from Vegas & there are more South Americans & Mexicans here (and all the Catholics I know are Filipino or Korean, go figure). Even back in the 70s, when my oldest sister was actively practicing, most of the Satanists she hung out with were Mexicans.

The ones I've met recently all seem to lean more towards deistic Satanism or Setianism, too, which is why I'm asking on your thread & not Medusa's.

[Sean R. R.]

Chocolate.,but with Pisctaio on the side(the nuts not the ice cream)

Oooh, yum!

I've got a kind of a strange question - I'm not intending it to be offensive, but I understand if it comes off that way. I'm not sure how else to ask it & make it sound politically correct.

I don't know how well-traveled you are, SeanRave, and I'm just gonna blurt it out - have you noticed there seems to be more Satanists coming from South America & Mexico than other parts of the world?

I only ask because the Satanists I've met IRL or encountered online, with a few exceptions, all seem to be from South America or Mexico. I don't know if it's because there's more Satanism tied into Santeria & Candomble, if it's more accepted to be an out-of-the-closet Satanist, or the recent upsurge of Santisma Muerte worship has something to do w/it, or if it's just because I'm from Vegas & there are more South Americans & Mexicans here (and all the Catholics I know are Filipino or Korean, go figure). Even back in the 70s, when my oldest sister was actively practicing, most of the Satanists she hung out with were Mexicans.

The ones I've met recently all seem to lean more towards deistic Satanism or Setianism, too, which is why I'm asking on your thread & not Medusa's.

I don't feel like I will be able to fully answer your question, but I'll do my best.

I have never been out of my country, and know only two states. But I have researched and it seems that there is a REALLY small amount of people openly practicing this path here, and they are frowned upon. It's something you'd expect from a country with such a strong catholic and evangelic influence like Venezuela. Sects, cults, and LHP-ish paths o any sort are quite frowned upon. Santeria is common, but still it is not... uh... seen much. It doesn't have much prescence. I think that when people emigrate from latinoamerican countries, which usually hold a strong religious influence, they feel more free about what they can do and start looking for alternatives and such. Of course, this is just my assumption. I would say that such beliefs as Wicca, Celtic and Satanism are, along with Santeria and Candomble are practiced but in secret, hidden from public eye.

I am quite sure that the upsurge of the worship of La Santisima Muerte has something to do with the sudden appereance and little upsurge of Santeria and Reiki here in my country. Perhaps this sect (not in the pejorative sense) has opened the doors for an incoming Pagan spread.

I've never heard of any Setianists around here though.

[Siloh]

Most know that she's nuts, and all was mildly tolerable until she married the neo-nazi guy, then she evolved, as a pokemon, from being nuts to being completely screwed.

This is so funny that I seriously think you should write a humor article with this sentence in it--6 Misconceptions of Satanism or something. Really. Cracked would eat that up. Anyway...

I don't know about others, but I believe the Christian God to be a (perhaps powerful) thoughtform of sorts. I mean, after 2000+ years of believing in him, heck, something has to come out of it!

I'm not really into theistic anything in terms of endorsing the idea that there are concrete, fixed deities with singular personalities etc. However, I do think there's a lot to say for thoughtforms, and it seems to me if belief in a thing, particularly over a long period of time, wields power whether or not that actually helps something become manifest in the ether (basically, no one can refute, for example, Catholic influence upon the world, God or no God). But I do personally think that well-fed beliefs do gain real, independent power, the manifestations of which are probably manifold.

So, my question basically is, do you think that Christianity has inadvertently strengthened Satan by keeping the faith that such an entity exists well fed? And, this is I guess important, do you think that your Satan and te Christian Satan are connected enough for this action of faith-based anti worship has in fact elevated the powers of the Hell you seek?

Finally, I feel uncomfortable fitting in with either theistic or atheistic/LaVeyan Satanism, because I do believe in the divine but not in terms of actual, realized deities, though I realize the value and power of compartmentalizing divinity into personalities and the power behind invoking those personalities which are well established and possess some amount of accompanying artifacts, text or otherwise.

SO, I am wondering as a personal matter, just for your opinion, and with the above in mind, I think, in a not entirely though largely LaVeyan way, that Satan is the most suitable deified personality for me to invoke as symbolic of my path, though I do not believe he is necessarily manifest except as a powerful and ancient collection of focused thought and human attention, so would you or wouldn't you consider me a theistic Satanist?

And finally, knowing that many use Satan as iconography for a philosophy who are without belief in a literal Satan, do you think that there truly are, as many evangelists would have us believe, many atheists unwittingly calling upon a very powerful entity? Some LaVeyan Satanists seem to take their rituals and allegiance to Satan very very seriously and spiritually, if not with theistic intentions.