So, I'm under the impression that I'm the only Vanatruar here (at least, for the moment). Yes, despite the handle, I'm not a Lokean (though I have friends who are) and so, in the spirit of sharing information (and because I love answering questions about my tradition) I was wondering if anyone had any questions for me?
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Originally posted by volcaniclastic View PostWhat is vanatru?
I should also note that some Vanatruar consider themselves to be reconstructionists, others (including myself) do not. Whether there is anything to "reconstruct" is up for debate.
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Where do you get your information for Vanir?Gunnarr Sandisson
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Originally posted by Gunnarr View PostWhere do you get your information for Vanir?
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There's been some discussion around here before about the role of Nerthus. I know that some see her as a goddess, others as originally being the same as Njord(possibly one of those historic cases where a deity changed gender as time passed, similar to Guan Yin in Buddhism). Either way, few seem to recognize her unless they follow a more Vanic path. What is your take on that issue?
Also, do you consider other less-known Germanic gods like Frau Holda to fall under the Vanic side of the equation? If so, who else do you speculate to be Vanir(like you said above)?
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Originally posted by Dez View PostThere's been some discussion around here before about the role of Nerthus. I know that some see her as a goddess, others as originally being the same as Njord(possibly one of those historic cases where a deity changed gender as time passed, similar to Guan Yin in Buddhism). Either way, few seem to recognize her unless they follow a more Vanic path. What is your take on that issue?
Also, do you consider other less-known Germanic gods like Frau Holda to fall under the Vanic side of the equation? If so, who else do you speculate to be Vanir(like you said above)?
Byggvir and Beyla (Freyr's servants)
Dagr and Nott (Not Vanir themselves, but important to daily cycles)
Eir
Frodi
Gerda
Gullveig (some see her as a jotun, though)
Herne
Holda
Idunna
Nehelennia
Sif
Skadhi
Sunna and Mani (again, not Vanir, but important to the seasonal cycles)
Ullr
Wayland
Personally, I can see how some of them could be seen as "Vanic" even if they weren't originally part of the Vanir, but others I just don't know that much about to tell, not all Vanatruar honour all of them, obviously.
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I am trying my best but I am not aware of your sources listed where it states any individual is Vanir, as for your list it is made up of lesser known gods, minor servants and well whatever else. UPG is not a source that is credible, PCPG I do not know what that is.
Would you mind answering the question with your sources listed in Lore, Eddas, sagas, academia, scholorship, folk customs and archeology?
If that is possible it would lead to a better debate.Gunnarr Sandisson
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Originally posted by Gunnarr View PostI am trying my best but I am not aware of your sources listed where it states any individual is Vanir, as for your list it is made up of lesser known gods, minor servants and well whatever else. UPG is not a source that is credible, PCPG I do not know what that is.
Would you mind answering the question with your sources listed in Lore, Eddas, sagas, academia, scholorship, folk customs and archeology?
If that is possible it would lead to a better debate.
As for your second point, I honestly can't name every source by name, because I use the lore more as a "jumping off point" than as the be all and end all of my practice. The lore doesn't make a good Bible, and I honestly have no interest in treating it like one. The list of deities I posted is Svartesol's, not mine, and to be honest, a lot of them are on there purely because of her UPG (which I don't necessarily agree with), and technically, this isn't a debate, it's Q&A, so if you want to debate the finer points of lore, I'd suggest starting a new thread.
Sorry to sound dismissive, but I honestly don't have the time or the desire to regurgitate a complete list of sources (chapter and verse, plz) with citations and footnotes, a bibliography, and an index.
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Re: Vanatru Q&A
Originally posted by Gunnarr View Post
If that is possible it would lead to a better debate.
Please remember that this is a Q&A thread, and this falls under a unique set of rules for the forum. Lokabrenna was kind enough to share information on her personal beliefs, as well as those of others who follow a similar path. As with ALL Q&A threads, those beliefs are not open to critique, condemnation, or debate.
If you wish to start a thread elsewhere, such as the debate section, Gunnarr, and see if anyone is interested, you are welcome to do so.
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Gunnar, the Aesir mostly denote the construct of politico-religious ruling powers of the Icelandic culture. You can assume anyone outside of the battle of Ragnarok isn't Aesir, and if they aren't present , and not Jotun, the only other divine group that they can fall in is Vanir ( that we know of so far). While not spelled out specifically, it's an educated guess that can find support in the materials. RMN wrote something on it if you'd like to read more.
Additionally, the distinction between the Vanir, Aesir, Jotun is an Icelandic construct that (as far as we know) wasn't present in other heathen regions. Since heathenry, at its heart, is a homegrown folk tradition (not pangermanic universal), there isn't anything contrary to reconstructionism in seeing the traits of the Vanir reflected in Nerthus, Hulda etc. Especially if that's the immediate influence you see present in your immediate life. Heathenry isn't a religion, its just "what we do." (We being anyone's family/tribe/kindred).
Hope this wasn't too OT from q&a.
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Originally posted by Lokabrenna View PostSo, I'm under the impression that I'm the only Vanatruar here (at least, for the moment). Yes, despite the handle, I'm not a Lokean (though I have friends who are) and so, in the spirit of sharing information (and because I love answering questions about my tradition) I was wondering if anyone had any questions for me?
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Originally posted by Lokabrenna View PostSo, I'm under the impression that I'm the only Vanatruar here (at least, for the moment). Yes, despite the handle, I'm not a Lokean (though I have friends who are) and so, in the spirit of sharing information (and because I love answering questions about my tradition) I was wondering if anyone had any questions for me?
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I took the 'What type of Heathen are you" test -- sadly the thread was closed, so I figured on posting here -- and continue the discussion on Vanatru.
Working with the Vaettr/Disr -- I am out in the marshes and nature all the time, and being around this farming community -- the spirits, ancestors and Vanir come alive. With harvests, blots, the various spirits and ancestors -- every day is special, not just rituals or blots .. So I deal with very strong nature concepts, the seasons, weather, animal/family fertility/prosperity, the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, Day & Night, Crops, Harvests, Planting time, family gatherings -- all things an agricultural society deals with on a daily basis .. and so that comes out in who I deal with and who I worship as well.
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