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    Do you think it's wrong?

    Do you think it wrong of me to identify as Wiccan, really just to keeps others who aren't truly curious at bay.

    I live in a place where if I just say I'm a Wiccan, people tell me I'm going to hell then walk away. I've strayed away from Wiccan ways, but just call myself an eclective Wiccan really just so I can shrug off the brimstone warnings saying something witty like; "well at least I'll be warm."

    So is that wrong?

    Sidenote; long winded answer for what I believe, I'm a Pagan who believes in a Goddess(Earth) and God(The fauna.), I also believe in other dieties my main Patron being Athena. I use magick, but don't really see the need for the theatrics that Wiccans use. Also the Rede is to constricting for me, I need more freedom with my magick.
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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    I dont think it really matters what you say to people unless youre conning them out of money or something fraud like.

    Id be carefull where you say youre wiccan though if you do it in the presence of an alexandrian or a gardinarian theyll make a show of you - it is an initiatory tradition with specific rules. To them its like saying youre a freemason because you read the davinci code.

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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    Go for it... There aren't all that many Gardnerians or Alexandrians in the states anyhow, and most of them know what eclectic Wicca is on the off chance of you running into one in a situation where a random stranger asks you about your religious beliefs. More likely is some random Christian, and lets face it, Wicca is the most well-known Pagan path. You wouldn't be the first person to do so.
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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTeddy View Post
    Do you think it wrong of me to identify as Wiccan, really just to keeps others who aren't truly curious at bay.

    I live in a place where if I just say I'm a Wiccan, people tell me I'm going to hell then walk away. I've strayed away from Wiccan ways, but just call myself an eclective Wiccan really just so I can shrug off the brimstone warnings saying something witty like; "well at least I'll be warm."

    So is that wrong?

    Sidenote; long winded answer for what I believe, I'm a Pagan who believes in a Goddess(Earth) and God(The fauna.), I also believe in other dieties my main Patron being Athena. I use magick, but don't really see the need for the theatrics that Wiccans use. Also the Rede is to constricting for me, I need more freedom with my magick.
    If the shoe fits, then wear it. Granted if it was me, and this is just my opinion, I'd take a little time to try and put a finer point onto what it is that I practice and believe in and how well that fits into the mold of general wiccan practice (by that I mean the standard outer-court stuff that you can learn by looking through a Cunningham book that anybody and their brother can grab a hold of). I say that because of an earlier point JamesByrne made, about other followers of a variety of Wicca coming up to you and saying "Hey! Glad to finally meet another wiccan!" and then they'll proceed to want to talk religious shop with you.

    But coming back from the mild tangent/expansion of my earlier response, it's not really wrong. If that is what makes you comfortable and keeps the rather rude naysayers off your back then go for it. Folks like the ones who tell you to take a relaxing dip in a lake of burning sulfur with El Diablo generally aren't ones to care for the details of what you honestly believe and practice. But you probably already know that.

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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    To throw a different spin out there, I do have a problem with lying in all its aspects. Dishonesty breeds nothing but negativity in my experience. You may find that down the line, doing this may have an adverse effect (possibly, when you get called out on it). Refusing to discuss religion with others is your right, don't feel like you must give them a reason to walk away from them.

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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    Rather than make something up or be untrue to yourself, just tell other people that your religion is personal and you believe they should keep their religions to themselves as well. I know proselytizers can be pushy - but it's ok for you to be firmly disinterested, too.
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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    I understand what everyone is saying. I have tried the whole refusal thing, for a few years and moved onto just walking away to avoid arguement, it got repeditive. I don't see being called out a problem, I know enough of the other sects and why I don't agree with them to carry on a conversation. I don't see myself running into someone who even knows what Gardnerian and Alexadrian is, and if someone does I'd simply explain my eclective views.

    I just say Wiccan because it has become a generic word, no offense to Wiccans. But really, people give odd looks if you say Pagan at least around here.
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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTeddy View Post
    I just say Wiccan because it has become a generic word, no offense to Wiccans.
    See, I'm not a Wiccan, but I think this is an issue. Wicca shouldn't be a generic word, and using it as such causes a lot of frustration and confusion for people. If you want a generic term, what's wrong with eclectic pagan?

    If it's just a quick answer to someone who isn't going to ask for details, I guess it doesn't really matter what you tell them - although personally I don't see how just telling them it's personal is any less repetitive than going through the whole going to hell thing each time, anyway... However, if you're talking to other pagans, or to someone who actually wants to discuss your religion beyond that, you really shouldn't use a label that actually doesn't describe you.

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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    Personally, I prefer Jedi or insane as answers through strange works too. They seem to generally entertain people while at the same time saying that you aren't interested in defining yourself in detail for them.

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    Re: Do you think it's wrong?

    I kinda get where you are going with this. I used to respond "pagan" myself, but after I realized a few of the people who had asked me were under the impression that I was referring to the motorcycle gang, I stopped using the term. (Yep I found out that members of my Military Police unit were trying to have my clearance revoked cause they thought I was in a gang...) One of the things I have noticed with the whole witch/wicca thing is that I get the impression that the terms were meant to be interchangable by the people who coined them. There are some older people in my area who think that the whole argument is stupid cause they are the same thing.. ("older" i.e. adults in the 60s, I know, I'm a child...) It is a view that no longer holds true though, so I think its up to you. Wicca is generally considered an initiatory tradition but most people know that if you don't know anyone who can initiate you, thats not going to stop young people from using the term. I think in the long run it does'nt matter what you tell people to get them off your back, I imagine telling them you are a purple panda would be effective too, to be honest. I work in a place where a large majority of the people who work here are eigther catholic or another brand of Christian, so my catch-all answer is "I was raised presbyterian" it deflects all sorts of questions about local diocese and popes and saints and does'nt say anything thats gonna get me lynched, (big fan of not being lynched.) but it also is'nt lying, I was raised presbyterian, I was even ordained into the church as a deacon, and thats all most people care about, I don't have to elaborate that my current belief structure has bunk to do with what was raised, and since I'm telling the truth I can even discuss it. Does'nt turn the JW's or LDS around, but they are mostly nice people, who hand you their piles of literature and smile and are willing to leave since I'm working.

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