Rene Descartes said "It's certain, then, that I am really distinct from my body and can exist without it."
In your opinion, is the mind seprate from the body, or do they have to go together?
Rene Descartes said "It's certain, then, that I am really distinct from my body and can exist without it."
In your opinion, is the mind seprate from the body, or do they have to go together?
Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
How would anyone factually prove this? I say with an astounding 100% accuracy..dunno.
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Well a body can exist, sort of, without a mind, but generally when this happens a person is considered "dead." i.e. vegetative state. Properly brain dead people are difficult to maintain and do not recover. so I don't see how a mind could exist w/o a body... in some form. It certainly could'nt be considered "alive" by any existing definition. So scientifically I guess the answer is no, IMO, based on the little bit I do know. Nothing along these lines is even remotely provable outside of a persons own experience, so it seems like a loaded question from too many sides... You like posting these strangely awkward "questions" don't you B. de Corbin?
In my opinion, people/creatures/animals at artworks (not pictures, I'm talking fictive persons) can exist without a body. they exist in our thoughts, our imagination. I know, then they doesn't LIVE, but they EXIST in a sorta... wierd way. It's hard to explain....
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Actually I think medusa makes the best point of all...Originally Posted by Medusa
I wonder what a mind would be like if it wasn't awash in hormones coming from other parts of the body...
Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
Nah... especially when the person is dead. I don't think that the consciousness can exist without a body; that's how I'd put it.
It's a beautiful sentiment and a very appealing philosophy. In fact, it tends to be similar to the ideas of afterlife. Or, to put in simple terms, is your mom no longer your mom, once she's passed away? I'm absolutely certain that I am separate from my body, distinctly and completely. The collection of cells that create the different tissues, of my body, do not have any real identity without my personality, feelings and experience, etc. Without my mind [et all], my body is just an anomaly. A transport vehicle that is only there, peripherally and cosmetically, as a facade. A store window. Substantial. Physical.
The number of accurate descriptions for 'who I am' fall into two categories, the physical and the non-physical, or more ethereal. The ones that truly define me, as a person, are not the physical descriptions. Overweight, 5'4", hazel eyes, disabled... Not a single person on this forum knows me by those descriptors. They need a name or maybe, for those that are far more familiar with my posting history, just a brief example of the behavior, habits and tendencies, in the writing, to tell them that it's me. Nuance. Ethereal.
What goes on in my mind is a far cry from what my body can do and what goes on with my body is a far cry from what my mind can do. Two distinctly separate entities.
It's a wonderful view of the world, that stands in direct opposition to my omnipresent cynicism. Never judge a book by its cover, it's what's inside that counts. Right? Why is there a difference, there, if they were the same entity?
"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it." - Ayn Rand
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius
"The very ink with which history is written is merely fluid prejudice." - Mark Twain
"The only gossip I'm interested in is things from the Weekly World News - 'Woman's bra bursts, 11 injured'. That kind of thing." - Johnny Depp
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=ap0-u...%3Dap0-uO8h2OU
I don't agree with the entirety of this video but the analogy has relevance and I enjoy the phrasing.
"It is not simply enough to know the light…a Jedi must feel the tension between the two sides of the Force…in himself and in the universe."
―Thon
"When to the Force you truly give yourself, all you do expresses the truth of who you are,"
Yoda
Yoda told stories, and ate, and cried, and laughed: and the Padawans saw that life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
"But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."
John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper
"You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."
Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis
Well.....there are bodies that exist without minds - just watch any reality show & you'll see bunches of them! LOL Seriously: in a way, if someone's deep in a coma they are sort-of a mind without a body. Or if someone's paralyzed. But I guess that's as close as it gets. Interesting topic!
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