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    Is it just fantasy, or...

    Gilberto Valle, a New York police officer accused of conspiring to kidnap, rape, torture and cook a number of women and eat their body parts, has been arrested and charged in federal court.
    You should probobly read this article from CNN before forming an opinion.

    Here's the basic deal, though -

    The prosecution argues that this guy is super-sick, and, as a gun carrying police officer - potentially extremely dangerous.

    The denfense argues that nobody has been hurt, and this fellow's antics are harmless sexual fantasies.


    What do you think?

    Harmless or no?

    Would you mind if he were policing your neighborhood?
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    Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

    He seems to have a bit too much documentation about private citizens for me to casually accept idle conversation. I'm not fully convinced yet and wouldn't be without seeing everything but once you start collecting information on real life people as part of your rape fantasies, I start thinking you may be doing more than talking.
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      #3
      Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

      the fantasies and chatrooms do not bother me in the least. It is his right as an american citizen to have nasty fantasies that most people would consider sick and depraved. It is the illegal accessing of the national database that disturbs me just a bit, and leads me to wonder if he wasn't thinking about trying to go through with it.
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        #4
        Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

        That's the thing that is most disturbing - he used his position and authority (which means he misused the trust placed by the public in our police force) to illegally gather information about his "fantasy" victims, and he had a hit list of actual, real, living women.

        To me, this looks like it is going beyond fantasy...
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          #5
          Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

          Fantasy can get kinda scary sometimes. I knew this Woman that was Sub S&M fantasy type,and the most disturbing fantasy she told me about consisted in a scene where she was eaten alive by ants,and she was buried up to her neck. The most bothersome thing I found was that she had some secret porn stash that described this scenario in great and detailed a manner. As to if this was just a fantasy of hers or something she might actually do,I never delved into the depth of her fantasy. There was that case in Germany some years ago where the guy volunteered to be killed and eaten by someone he met on an online chat ,so perhaps this guy "Might" have actually done these things given the chance.
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            #6
            Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

            If you had a grade school teacher who had fantasies about abducting, torturing, and murdering 10 year old children, I suspect that most parents would want them out of there, pronto.

            While fantasies like this do not automatically lead to actions, the likelyhood that somebody with fantasies like this will, at some point, and under certain conditions (which, oddly, are predictable), will act on those fantasies is astronomically higher than the odds that somebody who does not have fantasies like that will.

            If you want to play the odds, fantasies are rough predictors of potential future behavior. That doesn't mean that anybody who has violent fantasies is dangerous, but it does mean that treating such things as meaningless is a grave error.
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              #7
              Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

              While there's a degree of accuracy to that, the correct response to fantasy is a tricky ground. I don't particularly like the idea of trying to devise a psychological Pre-Crime (for those who haven't had the displeasure of watching it, Google Minority Report). With that said, this case seems to he much simpler. The guy started collecting target data and used illegal means to do so. Barring an explanation for that, actively researching targets tends to move one from fantasy to reality. I'd like to see more but there's enough already to seriously concern me.
              life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

              Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

              "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

              John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

              "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

              Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis


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                #8
                Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                Yeah. The article says that the authorities are contacting the 100 or so ladies on his lunch list (he had a file, with at least one photograph of each lady). Can you imagine what it would be like to have the police knock on your door and tell you that you, or your wife, or your GF, or your daughter was on this gentleman's abduct/torture/kill/cook/eat list?
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                  Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                  I think him being in a cell under those conditions would drastically improve my odds of not being in imprisoned for doing something intemperate...
                  life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

                  Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

                  "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

                  John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

                  "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

                  Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis


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                    #10
                    Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                    If not for the fact that he... actually compiled a list of women I'd say that it's harmless. But that doesn't seem harmless. It's involving real, not-fantasy women.

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                      #11
                      Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                      Yes - you know, theoretically, what is in a person's head is entirely his/her own business [those of you know me know that I am against anything that looks like a "thought crime,", but, realistically (as opposed to fantasy reality)], what a person thinks and feels, even in private, has an impact on what he/she does.

                      In cases like this, I'd suggest that one make a mistake on the side of caution, rather than act on the basis is of a philosophy which does not take human tragedy into account. Somebody tortures, murders, cooks, and eats somebody? At this point, it's too late...
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                        #12
                        Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                        There is a condition called ocd bad thoughts. Where someone is always thinking of bad things like this. They are so guilty about these thoughts that they are some the safest people around. But the fact he had a list compiled is just.... Decrepit

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                        There is a condition called ocd bad thoughts. Where someone is always thinking of bad things like this. They are so guilty about these thoughts that they are some the safest people around. But the fact he had a list compiled is just.... Decrepit

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                          #13
                          Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                          Originally posted by MaskedOne View Post
                          I think him being in a cell under those conditions would drastically improve my odds of not being in imprisoned for doing something intemperate...
                          Oh, yeah,...

                          Can you imagine somebody who wouldn't become interested in techniques of subtle assignation under those conditions?

                          My wife?

                          My daughter?

                          Better plan on killing me first...
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                            #14
                            Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                            I'm almost certain every parent has had bad thoughts about their child at one time or another.


                            Yes - you know, theoretically, what is in a person's head is entirely his/her own business
                            Theoretically? I would say actually is the word that's factual.
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                              #15
                              Re: Is it just fantasy, or...

                              I read about this in the Post yesterday, and from the replies it does not sound like the CNN article had any more information. This is a tough case to adjudicate, but it is a point well made here that no one wants a person with this type of fantasy life in a position of public trust. The whole thing does feel like it was about to get truly and horridly real, particularly in light of the co-conspirator offering to procure women for him. People will do less individually than they will do with a buddy. The word that came to mind when I read this was "monster," and I was surprised to find my mouth hanging open when I'd finished the article.

                              Anyway, since the law was broken, there will be a penalty, but the penalty may not be appropriately matched to the crime given the officer's intent. That's where it gets interesting for the courts. Removal from the police force should be no problem, but does he go on a sex offender's list if he did not actually offend? Does anyone think this man should not be watched? How would that be achieved without violating his rights? Very complicated.

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