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    Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

    The reason is obvious - they can't get carrot cake.

    Daniel LaPlante, Massachusetts Inmate, Wants Dragon Blood, Cake For Wiccan Rituals

    Do Wiccans actually refer to carrot cake as "Wolf Ice"?
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    Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

    Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    The reason is obvious - they can't get carrot cake.

    Daniel LaPlante, Massachusetts Inmate, Wants Dragon Blood, Cake For Wiccan Rituals

    Do Wiccans actually refer to carrot cake as "Wolf Ice"?
    If he REALLY wanted those things, he wouldn't have killed anyone in the first place.

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      Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

      On one hand, I'm pretty sure that there is standing court precedent for providing some accommodations for Wiccan religious practice to prisoners. On the other, the shopping list that he's drawing up is rather extensive and I'm not really interested in seeing prisoners get the freedom to draft up f-huge shopping lists for the state and call it religious spending. I'd like to see what type of accommodations are provided to other religions (the prison has oils used by muslim inmates and offered access to those but isn't interested in buying more specially for nitwit) so I can get an idea of what's normally provided.

      My initial inclination, he gets a credit of a certain amount for religious spending. He can use that for any supplies that he'll reasonably need through the year that the prison doesn't have good cause to ban (I don't care about your religion, there are legitimate and overriding secular reasons that prisoners don't get knives) but once it's gone, he's screwed. That gives him religious accommodation without letting him use the prison as his own personal deluxe catalog. Just because I'm a malevolent bastard, I'd say track down a local high priestess and ask for a very cheap, minimalistic supply list. Sum up the price for everything on it and add say $20 as a margin of error. That's the amount the prison will spend on him per year. No rollover.
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        Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

        And people wonder why so many see Wicca as a fad or give it no serious consideration as a legitimate religion. This ranks right up there with the woman a few years ago who was burning her styrofoam cooler and other trash in her backyard and claiming it was part of her Wiccan religious ceremonies.

        I wonder what coven will claim him as an initiate or if he is self dedicated and self initiated?
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          Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

          The guy is in jail,why does he get room service anyway
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            Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

            first to answer your question...i have no clue if its called wolf ice...ive never heard of that before and "did" allot of wicca.
            just had to read the article and wow...he's in jail for murder...of a woman and her 2 children...and he gets a say so why? plus if he wanted those things, and if he is such a good wiccan and believes in "do what you will as long as it harms none"
            then OMG he wouldnt be in jail FOR MURDER in the first place!!!!! *blood officially boiling*

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              Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

              to be fair he's been in prison for twenty six years, he could have become Wiccan while in prison

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                Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                Originally posted by maybeimawitch View Post
                to be fair he's been in prison for twenty six years, he could have become Wiccan while in prison
                This is totally true.

                Also, just like there are bad muslims, bad christians, bad jews, and bad atheists, there are bad wiccans. Not everyone follows the Rede.


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                  Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                  Originally posted by volcaniclastic View Post
                  This is totally true.

                  Also, just like there are bad muslims, bad christians, bad jews, and bad atheists, there are bad wiccans. Not everyone follows the Rede.
                  when i look at it like that....youre right... *takes a bow*

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                    Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                    Well, he certainly didn't seem to be "practicing his wiccan beliefs" when he murdered innocent people a few years back.
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                      Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                      This guy commented this murder before I was born... for those that think it a recent event.. that's a awful long time in my book to have changed. A lot. That being said, I agree with Masked. Reasonable accommodations along the lines made for people of other beliefs should be made for this inmate. That includes an opportunity to speak with whatever religious leaders he might have access to.
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                        Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                        I've done consultant work for prisons and Wiccan/Pagan prisoners. Usually there is no 'religious budget'. Most religious items are provided by visiting clergy - and that's usually limited to books and sometimes (but not often) jewelry.

                        If a prisoner needs items to practice their religion beyond what may be available if the prison has a chapel, they have to pay for it on their own with money they've earned or been given. A religious prisoner is still usually a con man, and will ask permission to have the most ridiculous items available - in the case of Wiccans, Heathens & Pagans, this usually means items that are considered weapons or things used to make weapons or drugs - athames, hammers, cords, candle snuffers, candles, herbs beyond what might be available in the kitchen, volatile oils, etc.

                        In this case, I would have told the prison admins the same thing the Boston Pagan mentioned in the article told them - no one needs special cakes or oils to be a Wiccan. It's nice if something is available, but not having them doesn't stop you from practicing your religion.
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                          Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                          It looks like he's just trying to draw some attention. Being in prison seems like the best place to meditate, concetrate and do some mental rituals without any interferance. Instead of keep asking for things he doesn't really need, he could use this lesson of modesty in his practice.

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                              Re: Why Wiccans don't want to go to jail

                              LOL - at least you don't have to be careful about dropping the soap...
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