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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    [quote author=ThorsSon link=topic=92.msg2034#msg2034 date=1286958107]
    Not much I can add here... I pretty much agree with everyone on all the questions... although I can't decide for sure where I stand on the answer to the first one.
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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    Okay so I did a quick definition search for heathen and got this:
    1. an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the god of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan.
    2. an irreligious, uncultured, or uncivilized person.

    I'm thinking theres more to it than that so could someone clue me in? What is heathenism?

    Edited to add: And why is it in the child boards?
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    We venerate our ancestors and the gods of northern Europe, Scandinavia, and Iceland. To use a horrifyingly simplified word which I try to never utter because it makes people make instant generalizations and assumptions, congratulations, you just found the Viking (wince) population of our fair board.

    The reason we use the word "heathen" is first because it sticks it in the eye of our Christian friends, in much the same way that "Christian" was originally derogatory and was adopted as the proper name for the religion. Second, "heathen" isn't a loaded term like "asatru", "odinist" or anything like that; it comes without a potential for ideological baggage.

    The reason we have our own child board is that some form of heathenism is arguably the second most common line of thought under the "pagan" umbrella besides Wicca, and we might even tie Wicca for that distinction these days. We do, however, differ from a lot of other Pagan religions on a number of points. For example, we aren't normally directly nature based, a greater population of heathens are recons than probably anything else (basing rituals, lore and such on hard historical and archaeological evidence), and we aren't as "peaceful" as a lot of other faiths; our faith was born out of conflict and strife into times of war, and it reflects that. Note that these are extreme generalities and won't hold if you put them under a microscope, but it gives you the gist of it.

    Also Maythe, I'll have to get Our Troth out again later to confirm this as I haven't taken it off the shelf in quite a while, but I remember having the urge when I read it to get my "CITE SOME PROPER DAMN SOURCES" stamp and stamp all over the thing.
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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    I gotta say...good to see you Thjoth and TS!

    Ok, as you guys know, I'm very interested in Heathenry, but I'm waiting a year before I make any changes official.

    I do, however, have a promise I need to fulfill. I need to make an appropriate offering once I get an alter worked out, and I'm unsure about the best way to do that. Advice?

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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    I usually just pour a glass of ale, dedicate it to the gods and have a drink with them. Failing that you can dedicate a similar drink to them and pour it over an altar stone outside.
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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    [quote author=Deseret link=topic=92.msg2203#msg2203 date=1286997318]
    Ok, as you guys know, I'm very interested in Heathenry, but I'm waiting a year before I make any changes official.

    I do, however, have a promise I need to fulfill. I need to make an appropriate offering once I get an alter worked out, and I'm unsure about the best way to do that. Advice?
    [/quote]

    Who/what is the offering to? This could be very important, depending upon the answer, as to how we answer your question (gah, I hope that makes sense).
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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    [quote author=Crimson Horizons link=topic=92.msg2280#msg2280 date=1287007506]
    Who/what is the offering to? This could be very important, depending upon the answer, as to how we answer your question (gah, I hope that makes sense).
    [/quote]

    Can't backtrack due to forum crash but I'm relatively sure her first offering was gonna go to Odin.
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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    If that be the case then I would think that mead or meat would work well. That said, I'm no Odhinsman, and perhaps Grim would have a better answer.
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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    My hideously generic response:

    Knowing your no-alcohol history, Deseret, it should probably be mentioned that Odin, and indeed many others, wouldn't really be offended by an offering of mead or ale, that you didn't drink, of yourself. "More for them" would be the likely attitude.

    That said, I tend to stick with meals. I've offered up a steak and baked potato, at one point. As much as one would feel there's a "required" and proper procedure? I'm a firm believer in the idea that they know what you're doing, you're not fooling anyone. So just being open and honest? Presenting a piece of meatloaf and cheese would still be fitting.

    Just... the preference is always mead, if one can.




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    Re: Heathen Q&A

    [quote author=ChainLightning link=topic=92.msg2317#msg2317 date=1287011889]
    Knowing your no-alcohol history, Deseret, it should probably be mentioned that Odin, and indeed many others, wouldn't really be offended by an offering of mead or ale, that you didn't drink, of yourself. "More for them" would be the likely attitude.
    [/quote]

    Chain nailed this one. An appropriate gift for someone doesn't necessarily have to be something you yourself would enjoy. I've bought more things than I can count for my little sisters that I would have absolutely zero use for, however their eyes lit up when presented said gifts. So, if a particular member of the Regin is the recipient of your offering, do a bit of research on their likes and dislikes, just as you would a friend. That said, as Chain pointed out, a good offering of mead is never turned down.

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