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    Mary Magdaline the Apostle?

    So, the more I learn about the Bible, read it, and research its history, the more I'm convinced that Mary Magdalene was one of the apostles.

    Note that I'm not talking about the DaVinci code stuff about if she and Jesus were an item, start a different thread if you want to ship them.

    But with her as an apostle, it definitely would change how modern Christianity views and perceives women. After all, if Mary was not just a follower, but one of Jesus' most trusted disciples, who was shoved under the rug after his death by patriarchal history... It changes the role of women in the church immensely, not just in a "we've grown smarter over time way," but in a, "women should have had an equal role in the church this whole time!" way which would make the subjugation of women by the church an even clearer corruption of Jesus' teaching. (then again, I already thought it was clear... But its still contested, so oh well.)

    Mary Magdalene has suffered many many smear campaigns throughout history, the most notable being the idea that she was a prostitute, which while I don't think would make her less of a person, as the argument is clearly trying to do, is entirely made up later and not based anywhere in the Bible or even early apocrypha!

    So was Mary Magdalene and intelligent woman Jesus brought in as a disciple maligned through history? I think so... What about you?
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    The Gnostics thought so - there are a couple of texts from the Nag Hammadi library that name her as "special." Of course, there is also The Gospel of Judas, which makes Judas "special" as well.

    I have no personal opinion on the matter, though, not being a Christian & all.
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      One of the titles frequently bestowed on Mary Magdalene is "Apostle to the Apostles". The risen Christ met with her before his male apostles and sent her to inform them of his resurrection. She's one of the more important figures in the New Testament even if various figures like to forget it.
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        Interesting thoughts... Is there an apocryphal gospel of Mary anywhere?
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          Originally posted by Heka View Post
          Interesting thoughts... Is there an apocryphal gospel of Mary anywhere?
          Yes there is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mary (Wikipedia isn't my favourite source, but it was the bast on-line one I could come up with in a hurry.)

          For those more interested in a book look here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Gospels-Ma.../dp/006083451X
          Warning: The above post may contain traces of sarcasm.

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            Cool as. Cheers for that. Why isn't it canon? I should just go read huh :P
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            Seen the desert and the birds
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            That everything was shit.

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              I think what would be really useful for this discussion is if someone explained what exactly makes one an Apostle. Then we can determine if she's an Apostle or not!
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                Originally posted by Heka View Post
                Interesting thoughts... Is there an apocryphal gospel of Mary anywhere?
                Maybe?

                Probably?
                There is some debate as to which Mary its actually about.

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                Originally posted by Heka View Post
                Cool as. Cheers for that. Why isn't it canon? I should just go read huh :P
                Short answer? Written somewhere between 120-180 AD. The stuff written later is pretty much all non-canonical.

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                Originally posted by Dumuzi View Post
                I think what would be really useful for this discussion is if someone explained what exactly makes one an Apostle. Then we can determine if she's an Apostle or not!
                Apostles were chosen by Jesus to spread his love and message around. They were people specifically chosen and entrusted by him with that work, rather than people who took it on themselves.
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                  Originally posted by Malflick View Post
                  Short answer? Written somewhere between 120-180 AD. The stuff written later is pretty much all non-canonical.
                  Weird because the gosple of Mary is supposed to lie within that timeframe . But then Christianity isn't my strongest suit I admit. And this was after all the short answer.


                  For more on the aformentioned gosple: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html
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                    Re: Mary Magdaline the Apostle?

                    Originally posted by MoonRaven View Post
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                    Weird because the gosple of Mary is supposed to lie within that timeframe . But then Christianity isn't my strongest suit I admit. And this was after all the short answer.


                    For more on the aformentioned gosple: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/gospelmary.html
                    Not weird at all? I was saying what time frame it was written in.... Its part of "the stuff written later".
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                      Many "Books" from the very early days of Christian belief have been purged and excluded because they did not fit the "Dogma" that the early "State run christian control" could use to build their power base.
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