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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

    Quote Originally Posted by perzephone View Post
    I'm currently trying to carve a wax Venus and it's so frustrating. I'm like, if it's so easy a cave person could do it, why can't I???
    They didn't have a lot of distractions in their spare time... Aside from saber tooth tigers, and big bad bears...

    Try warming your knife up a bit with a lighter every now and then. It'll go through the wax like a hot knife through wax.

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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
    I'll throw my hat into the ring too, for anyone who's interested... Sacred Shadows, Ice Age Spirituality, which is available as a very cheap Kindle download. (It's also available as a paperback from the Wolfenhowle Press Website - but outside the UK the postage costs tend to make Kindle a better option.) You can look inside the book too for an idea what is there.

    No exercises in this book - just a lot of information about spiritual aspects of the very ancient past. All properly referenced, too! The idea was to try and reach out to the ancient past we each carry within us... because I believe that the past never really goes away, we have it with us all the time. It does briefly refer to shamanism, within the context of characters such as the Bison Men or the 'sorcerer' at Les Trois Freres.

    Ooh, and one other thing... the Iron Age, Bronze Age etc., reached the far north MUCH later than it did the areas around the Mediterranean. These thawed out first after the Iron Age and then, while some tribes stayed put, others followed their herds northwards.

    My own favourite part of Sacred Shadows was discovering the engravings of La Marche - sheer magic!
    Hah you've just reminded me that this book of yours is on my to-buy list!

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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    Hah you've just reminded me that this book of yours is on my to-buy list!
    Thanks - if you're in australia then definitely cheapest to get it on Kindle. And an Australian buyer did review it too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by perzephone View Post
    Well, there's 'ancient' and then there's 'really ancient', lol. I'm currently trying to carve a wax Venus and it's so frustrating. I'm like, if it's so easy a cave person could do it, why can't I???
    I think the thing to remember is that they were considerably more convinced than we give them credit for. They used crayons (yes, honestly, this isn't a von Daniken flight of fancy) they did embroidery (which is why I love the La Marche engravings.) I've attached one to this post... I think the figure is just gorgeous, and nigh on about 14,000 years old! The detailed headdress isn't like we'd expect and yet these engravings are hard to find out about... I had to go through about ten journals (all in French) and translate them. Really, really hard work. For a long time they were thought to be forgeries but in 2002 it was agreed they were genuine. (Much the same happened at Lascaux, believe it or not!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by perzephone View Post
    All the neolithic Paganism I ever needed I got from the Clan of the Cave Bear books :P
    Lol yes! I have one goddess figure I call a 'doni' and I'd love to be a zelandonii haha. I really want to do the thing where you get up every sunrise/set to mark where the sun come up etc and see the solstices and equinoxes.

    Its a shame you can't join the zelandonii as a legitimate career path like you could then hahs
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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
    I think the thing to remember is that they were considerably more convinced than we give them credit for. They used crayons (yes, honestly, this isn't a von Daniken flight of fancy) they did embroidery (which is why I love the La Marche engravings.) I've attached one to this post... I think the figure is just gorgeous, and nigh on about 14,000 years old! The detailed headdress isn't like we'd expect and yet these engravings are hard to find out about... I had to go through about ten journals (all in French) and translate them. Really, really hard work. For a long time they were thought to be forgeries but in 2002 it was agreed they were genuine. (Much the same happened at Lascaux, believe it or not!)
    This is part of what I find so frustrating about people who like to give credit to aliens for ancient art and architecture. Humans have been pretty damned clever for a looooong time, and our ancient ancestors were no slouches.
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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

    I'm currently reading the Northern Tradition for the Solitary Practitioner by Galina Krasskova and Raven Kaldera. So far it's a very affirmative exploration of devotional practices that should not be overlooked by anyone of our faith, regardless of what end of the spectrum we end up on. Odinists and Asatruar alike can gain something from this particular book if approached with an open mind. I think there's far too much divide within our community as a whole and we get so hung up on being right that we forget about what brought us to this path in the first place: hearing the calling of the Gods in one form or another. "Northern Tradition for the Solitary Practitioner" does a good job of recalibrating our focus on our personal connection with the Gods, which in turn can only strengthen our community.

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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

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    Well, I've read a little way through the book now and I'm so pleased I ordered it. I'm also glad that I had read this thread, because having little previous knowledge of the true history, I could have easily been taken in by their version of it. Of course, I wasn't interested in that side of it anyway, so I'm not too put off by their lack of historical accuracy.

    As a workbook, it suits me wonderfully so far. I almost cried when I read the first chapter (not including the intro), and they started talking about the spirits that occupy the home. I've mentioned here and there on the forum that I 'talk to my flat and it answers'. I also have a dialogue with the spirit of the house I work in. My family and some of my colleagues know about this side of me, but I've always kind of played it down on PF out of fear of ridicule. Like 'oh dear, look at Jembru with her little imaginary friends', despite actually having much I'd love to ask and discuss about these spirits. Somehow, reading that there are other people with similar little imaginary friends validated my experience. In fact, I rushed over and topped up my offering bowl, (which I had instinctively placed in the kitchen anyway, which is exactly where the book suggests it should go; although I maybe read or was told this somewhere before and I've just forgotten), as it had been a shamefully long time since I last left anything out. On that subject though, I was slightly taken aback by their comment about 'wiccan types' not leaving offerings after rituals. I don't know if it's just that the word 'wicca' is used much more loosely by certain groups in the states, but I don't know any wiccan who wouldn't show due respect and leave an offering after a ritual. If I were still wiccan, I'd have taken offence to the suggestion that wicca is less spiritually connected than their Northern Tradition shamanism. It reminded me of the Christian bashing you used to see in earlier wiccan/pagan publications. But of course, perhaps it was a genuine observation, in which case.. shame on those people.

    I love the idea of the 9 worlds, although due to my previous experience of a similar system I''m not comfortable with them not including the Earth in their 9 worlds. I don't think they explained it (unless I missed it). I would argue that it is as much a 'world' as any of the other categories they suggest. Maybe 10 worlds just didn't sound mystical enough.

    While the book frequently talks about things that are already part of my practices (or at least were previously when I was more filly engaged in my spiritual life), it has also introduced me to some useful concepts. Most notably, is the part where they said that the physical body is actually part of the soul. As someone who's quality of life has been battered by BDD (both in the traditional sense of obsessing over my unfortunate facial features, as well as hating my general body shape), this is a concept that could potentially be extremely healing for me. It's a great place to start in making peace with my body.

    There's a long road ahead of me, but I feel that things have finally started to fit into place in my spiritual life. This book has helped me to see much more clearly that I already have a good workable system already outlined in my BoS. I've been doubting myself for too long I think. I'm feeling really positive that over the coming months, I'll find myself on much steadier ground! Oh and of course, I can be in very little doubt now that I am definitely a shamanist!
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    Re: Neolithic Shamanism

    Quote Originally Posted by Jembru View Post
    I love the idea of the 9 worlds, although due to my previous experience of a similar system I''m not comfortable with them not including the Earth in their 9 worlds. I don't think they explained it (unless I missed it). I would argue that it is as much a 'world' as any of the other categories they suggest. Maybe 10 worlds just didn't sound mystical enough.
    The book in question explicitly treats Earth and Midgard as separate? Some think Earth = Midgard, some think Midgard is separate but sort of like Earth. I haven't read the book so I don't know which way they go on the issue.
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