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    #16
    Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

    Originally posted by Auseklis View Post
    Wikileaks and sister sites are not just about 'leaks' they have a number of operations and web sites of varying levels on varying subject matter. Regardless, the government will never un-ban web sites because a few thousand pagans 'said so'. Avoid the problem in the first place and then there is no need for protesting. Freedom of speech isn't about proving something.
    If there is a big enough public out cry over it they have to, thats the whole point of democracy (and yes i know the freedom we have is an illusion but thats for another topic) and yes freedom of speech isn't about proving something. and im not trying to prove something it's politics, like it or ot olitics is a game just like chess. and like in chest sometimes you let your opponent make a move that puts you "back a space* to beat them later on.

    Originally posted by Quetzal View Post
    Not just pagans Kahl. It's not just religious freedoms that are being attacked here, it's our whole internet freedom. I know tons of non-pagans who are up in arms over this nonsense.
    I know (but the original topic that i copied my post from was about pagan sites being blocked), but alot of the british public don't understand just how many things will be blocked by this ban, so i say let it happen and let people realise how much this would affect our freedom and your gunna end up with alot of pissed off people telling the government to get rid of it. which leads me to the point about politics again. the current government is a joke and we need to get rid of them how better to do that than to allow them to piss off 80% of british people, thus causing said people to lose faith in the government them next time general election comes round.

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      #17
      Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

      Originally posted by Kahlenda View Post
      If there is a big enough public out cry over it they have to, thats the whole point of democracy (and yes i know the freedom we have is an illusion but thats for another topic) and yes freedom of speech isn't about proving something. and im not trying to prove something it's politics, like it or ot olitics is a game just like chess. and like in chest sometimes you let your opponent make a move that puts you "back a space* to beat them later on.



      I know (but the original topic that i copied my post from was about pagan sites being blocked), but alot of the british public don't understand just how many things will be blocked by this ban, so i say let it happen and let people realise how much this would affect our freedom and your gunna end up with alot of pissed off people telling the government to get rid of it. which leads me to the point about politics again. the current government is a joke and we need to get rid of them how better to do that than to allow them to piss off 80% of British people, thus causing said people to lose faith in the government them next time general election comes round.
      Legislation is much harder to reverse than to prevent, once a law is in place, it gains some level of "precedence" and can form future laws, and show the government what it can get away with. The government does not have "to do" anything if the people get pissed, they can just ignore it, unless it gets violent, which I don't agree with. Literally, they will just ignore you unless they absolutely have to pay attention, and I doubt many people would catch on, and actually, some more conservative types might even further support the government's actions (especially some groups within the church). You wouldn't see wide-spread protesting, you'd see many unaware people going about their daily lives not knowing what is going on until its too late, and many people who do fight but are pushed out of the picture.

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        #18
        Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

        Originally posted by Unus Mundus View Post
        Legislation is much harder to reverse than to prevent, once a law is in place, it gains some level of "precedence" and can form future laws, and show the government what it can get away with.
        You wouldn't see wide-spread protesting, you'd see many unaware people going about their daily lives not knowing what is going on until its too late, and many people who do fight but are pushed out of the picture.
        With normal small legislations put in here and there i would agree with you but this ban would be almost instantaneous there would be enough time to make that many new laws and people would notice almost immediatly.(maybe not all of them but most of them)

        The government does not have "to do" anything if the people get pissed, they can just ignore it, unless it gets violent, which I don't agree with. Literally, they will just ignore you unless they absolutely have to pay attention, and I doubt many people would catch on,
        But thats the beauty of the modern age the ability to create a cause and make it go viral, and of course get the word out to every single erson on the earth with little effort (compared to the past)

        and actually, some more conservative types might even further support the government's actions (especially some groups within the church).
        That would happen regardless. TBH thats sort of their providence really isnt it.

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          #19
          Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

          Originally posted by anunitu View Post
          I am not at all surprised by these moves,remember England once banned Rock and roll,there was a movie about that. It smacks of "Control" by fear a tactic also used here in the US. They play to the fears of the ordinary person by "Creating" an evil that does not even exist. It is sad because these "politicians" are supposed to work for the people,not play mind games with the people.
          Its not quite true, England did not ban rock and roll, some mainstream radio stations banned certain acts ( a lot of which were rock and roll) this is why pirate music stations became so popular is they played a broader selection of music than those the mainstream stations.

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          I am interested to see how far this act gets , as it targets so much information.
          Aside from my interests in assorted religious and spiritual stuff, my interests are heavily "esoteric" as are those of every specialist professional in the UK... I am looking forwards to them trying to ban the RCVS website or any of the online veterinary journals.

          I am still unsure as to their motives for using the term "esoteric" it does seem like typical conservative obfuscation of information.

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            #20
            Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

            Originally posted by Kahlenda View Post
            I think it may be a little bit different in the sates monk i know the yanks are like the super god squad, but i dunno i know myself personally and alot of other UK pagans i have spoke to have all said they would protest if these sites were included in the ban.
            I would love to see the Pagan/Wicca communities and all the other people stand up and protest against this sensorship here and everywhere. Unfortunitly I don't see it here. As you said"super god squads" make it difficult as they want to convert you or if that fails cause you grief.
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              #21
              Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

              Originally posted by Monk View Post
              I would love to see the Pagan/Wicca communities and all the other people stand up and protest against this sensorship here and everywhere. Unfortunitly I don't see it here. As you said"super god squads" make it difficult as they want to convert you or if that fails cause you grief.

              exactly and conservatives are part an parcel with the god squad haha. and besides we all saying protesting wunt happen what is a petition if not a protest?

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                #22
                Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

                Wow. Thanks for spreading the word. This isn't the first time in recent years that governments have tried to pass wishy washy laws to censor internet content (think SOPA and PIPA).
                I find it absolutely insulting that any government would demean its citizens in that way- treating them like children who can't decide what is appropriate for their own eyes and minds.

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                  #23
                  Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

                  Originally posted by Kahlenda View Post
                  exactly and conservatives are part an parcel with the god squad haha. and besides we all saying protesting wunt happen what is a petition if not a protest?
                  Do you know if anyone can sign the petition or is just for persons in the UK?

                  - - - Updated - - -

                  Looks like anyone can sign it, I just did.
                  Gargoyles watch over me...I can hear them snicker in the dark.


                  Pull the operating handle (which protrudes from the right side of the receiver) smartly to the rear and release it.

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                    #24
                    Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

                    Oh my that's terrible! I also can't help but think, in terms of protecting children from porn, they have parental blocks for that...even back in the days when my family had Dial-up when dial-up was still popular to have and considered the best thing ever, we had parental blocks.

                    Going to this extreme? It's about way more than just protecting children which can easily be done with parental blocks and using the internet responsibly in your home. Taking away the rights of people like this...right to freedom or religion or with certain subjects talking to others who have "been there" and getting much needed support etc. I can see this leading to much worse and spreading everywhere, people like to abuse power.

                    I'm went and signed the petition and shared it.

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                      #25
                      Re: UK censorship on Esoteric Content?

                      Its a silly reactionary law that only got picked up on by the gov as a desperate attempt to gain public support.

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