prejudice against white people

[B. de Corbin]

Re: prejudice against white people

Jera, do you think, in the long run, that this kind of thinking will be good for your country, or bad?

On one level I can understand it - the wounds are still so fresh - but people do have to move into the future, and I don't see healing coming as long as salt is being rubbed into the soft tissue.

[LunarHarvest]

Re: prejudice against white people

Picked this up from the "Unpopular Opinions" thread -

Do "white people" (whatever that is) deserve to be blamed for the bad things that have happened, or are happening,to people with other skin colors?

Short answer, no, and race does not exist.

Long answer time.
What is 'white'? Does have a proper culture, a history? No, white, like all other 'races' like 'Asian', 'African', et cetera. is merely an oversimplification of a wide group of peoples and nations, with an equally large spectrum of differences in history and culture. Ireland and Slovenia, for example, have different histories and cultures. An person from Poland and a person from Italy might both be considered 'white', but they have properly different cultures they were raised in, and historical heritages. Even within nations there is no unity of history and historical heritage, for example with the differences between the Welsh, Scottish, English and Northern Irish in the United Kingdom. People are ultimately defined more by the culture they were born into than the colour of their skin, or even the nation they were raised in.

'White' people consist of many different histories. They consist of imperialistic powers and pacifistic societies, of oppressors and the oppressed. There is no unity in these histories, and no one race has been the consistent oppressor of others. Regardless of this it is properly ridiculous to place blame any people as a whole, or even in part, for the actions of the a government or leader of the past.

In conclusion, the fact is that there is no such thing as 'race'. There is no such thing as a biological, cultural or historical 'Asian, African, White, et cetera'. Ultimately there is only humanity, and I feel that using any race-based rhetoric is not only misplaced, but prolongs the perception that something like race exists.

Sorry if I'm not completely clear right now. I'm properly knackered right now.

[thalassa]

Re: prejudice against white people

I think that saying that race isn't real because its not a biological thing is naive at best...and fundamentally unhelpful. Just because something isn't biological doesn't mean its not real. Race exists as a social contruct and is, perhaps, all the more pernicious for it.

[Jera]

Re: prejudice against white people

Jera, do you think, in the long run, that this kind of thinking will be good for your country, or bad?

On one level I can understand it - the wounds are still so fresh - but people do have to move into the future, and I don't see healing coming as long as salt is being rubbed into the soft tissue.

That's what a lot of people think, both white and black...the government needs to stop using the past as a scapegoat for everything.

[jcaternolo]

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There are groups in all races that have kept slaves, and committed atrocities. I think that the ancient Hebrews had the most humane system of slavery (if the Bible is to be believed). Slavery for them was a lot like getting an apprenticeship. They lived with the Hebrews, and had about the same rights, it's just that they were forced to work for them. And the only slaves they had were war slaves I think, which is fitting. Wars cost money, it's only right that the aggressors stay and fix their mess and compensate for money spent, resources lost, and people killed. If they did have lower class people as slaves, I think it was actually a good thing for them, because they were fed, clothed, and still treated humanely and given rights and even paid. Public assistance should be like this. The poor and homeless get a place to live and free room and board, and are given honest work to earn their own money.

[Amadi]

Re: prejudice against white people

Short answer, no, and race does not exist.

Bump, people are people, countries are countries,
People and countries do shitty things.
Biological differences in humanity exist duh, but the mentality that a black man is fundamentally different to a white man because of the colour of his skin or his build, intelligence, accent etc. is idiotic

In the past a group of people had to be the scapegoat of 'progress' somewhere (The Nazi's massively improved humanities understanding of the human body, through horrible means), people should note the shitty things people have done but they should also note that these things would still be happening unless both sides put up a stand. You don't see any country screaming "Let's bring back the Nazi's, oh boy they were fun!".

I hate white shaming, I hate elitism by race, I hate people who refer to the past as a justification to their actions in the present. People need to get their heads out of this stupid frame of mind.

[jcaternolo]

Re: prejudice against white people

Bump, people are people, countries are countries,
People and countries do shitty things.
Biological differences in humanity exist duh, but the mentality that a black man is fundamentally different to a white man because of the colour of his skin or his build, intelligence, accent etc. is idiotic

In the past a group of people had to be the scapegoat of 'progress' somewhere (The Nazi's massively improved humanities understanding of the human body, through horrible means), people should note the shitty things people have done but they should also note that these things would still be happening unless both sides put up a stand. You don't see any country screaming "Let's bring back the Nazi's, oh boy they were fun!".

I hate white shaming, I hate elitism by race, I hate people who refer to the past as a justification to their actions in the present. People need to get their heads out of this stupid frame of mind.

Well, there were apparently studies that showed that a white person's brain is on average larger than a black person's brain, but those studies could've been funded by anyone. I remember when they tried to measure brain size by putting cotton in a white person's skull and in a black person's skull, but they would tightly pack the cotton in the white skull and loosely pack the cotton in the black person's skull. Even if whites do have slightly bigger brains, it is irrelevant, because it's how much of our brains we choose to use that matter. Average brain usage is about 3%, smartest people have managed to use about 16%. We have plenty of grey matter as it is to take advantage of, we honestly don't need any more. Except maybe an increase to the empathy and logic sections

[Heka]

There are groups in all races that have kept slaves, and committed atrocities. I think that the ancient Hebrews had the most humane system of slavery (if the Bible is to be believed). Slavery for them was a lot like getting an apprenticeship. They lived with the Hebrews, and had about the same rights, it's just that they were forced to work for them. And the only slaves they had were war slaves I think, which is fitting. Wars cost money, it's only right that the aggressors stay and fix their mess and compensate for money spent, resources lost, and people killed. If they did have lower class people as slaves, I think it was actually a good thing for them, because they were fed, clothed, and still treated humanely and given rights and even paid. Public assistance should be like this. The poor and homeless get a place to live and free room and board, and are given honest work to earn their own money.

The best slaves ever were the Pompeii-an slaves. They even got to use the same shitter as their masters.

[Atehequa]

Re: prejudice against white people

As far as abuse of the system? I never mentioned color. I don't give two craps about color. But if my money is being taken, and given to someone who didn't earn it, I'm annoyed.

Greetings.

I'm curious to know how you feel in regards to annuities being paid to America's indigenous people?

[Munin-Hugin]

Re: prejudice against white people

Average brain usage is about 3%, smartest people have managed to use about 16%.

This is actually a huge bit of popular myth. We use 100% of our brains, and a simple search in Google will provide a huge number of resources debunking it.

Sorry for the off-topic comment.

[ChainLightning]

Re: prejudice against white people

Greetings.

I'm curious to know how you feel in regards to annuities being paid to America's indigenous people?

Since an annuity is a type of financial investment that creates a stream of cash, a cash flow, as opposed to what RW was talking about, where the cash flow comes out of HER pocket book and into someone else's, your question makes no sense.

WTF does getting an annuity have to do with welfare nipples?

[Medusa]

Re: prejudice against white people

Since an annuity is a type of financial investment that creates a stream of cash, a cash flow, as opposed to what RW was talking about, where the cash flow comes out of HER pocket book and into someone else's, your question makes no sense.

WTF does getting an annuity have to do with welfare nipples?

You seem a bit cranky. You ok?

I'm assuming that they mean the Indians getting money or us taking their land and what not. I'm going to go with they got the Casinos. So there's that.

[Nicholas]

Re: prejudice against white people

I am white and really do believe that racism and prejudice is our fault. Let it not be said that both sides are accountable.
Nicholas Brandow

[Atehequa]

Re: prejudice against white people

Since an annuity is a type of financial investment that creates a stream of cash, a cash flow, as opposed to what RW was talking about, where the cash flow comes out of HER pocket book and into someone else's, your question makes no sense.

WTF does getting an annuity have to do with welfare nipples?

Easy there Sparkles, I meant it in the old sense. We get paid by the government for all the woe they have caused us.

>>>------> [Annuities were payments of money and/or goods distributed to tribes annually for a specified number of years. Annuities were included in many treaties between tribes and the United States in exchange for land cessions. Many Native Americans came to depend on annuity distributions for survival as hunting grounds and other means of support diminished. The government often used the threat of withholding annuity payments to influence tribal behavior. Annuity payments continued after the government stopped negotiating treaties with Native peoples.]


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[ChainLightning]

Re: prejudice against white people

Easy there Sparkles, I meant it in the old sense. We get paid by the government for all the woe they have caused us.

>>>------> [Annuities were payments of money and/or goods distributed to tribes annually for a specified number of years. Annuities were included in many treaties between tribes and the United States in exchange for land cessions. Many Native Americans came to depend on annuity distributions for survival as hunting grounds and other means of support diminished. The government often used the threat of withholding annuity payments to influence tribal behavior. Annuity payments continued after the government stopped negotiating treaties with Native peoples.]


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They are still unrelated.

And don't call me Sparkles, there, Peaches.