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    Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    I just read a Witchvox article which began by saying that one's mundane life must be in order before one's spiritual life can follow. Perhaps it's a commonly distributed bit of advice.

    I'm trying to do things in reverse. I had assumed that my mundane life being out of whack was just a symptom of the underlying issue, and that getting my spiritual and emotional affairs in order would translate into a better, more organized and calm daily life by providing an anchor of sorts.

    What do you think?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    I don't think they are separate. I don't think there is a mundane life and a spiritual life...you either have a life where you find the divine in the mundane and the mundane in the divine, or you don't. Personally, I think assuming they are separate and one comes before the other is courting imbalance.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    Spirituality is not all it's cracked up to be. Sometimes just too much damn emotion on 'life lessons'. I'd like a year of being dumb. Thank you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    I concur with thal, there. They both coincide with one another: the mundane and spiritual worlds. Being able to have and keep balance in your life is something that a spiritual person is able to do, even if they live a lay life style. Kind of the more balanced the inside the more balanced becomes the outside.

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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    Quote Originally Posted by blue_coyote View Post
    I concur with thal, there. They both coincide with one another: the mundane and spiritual worlds. Being able to have and keep balance in your life is something that a spiritual person is able to do, even if they live a lay life style. Kind of the more balanced the inside the more balanced becomes the outside.
    I'm confused by your response. If they each need equal tending, how then does a balanced inside equate to a balanced outside?

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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    Quote Originally Posted by KarrinMurphy View Post
    I'm confused by your response. If they each need equal tending, how then does a balanced inside equate to a balanced outside?
    When someone is spiritually fighting with themselves, they tend to be a mess on the outside. How can you have a clean floor if you are constantly throwing spiritual crumbs on it? Something like that. Only less Yoda like.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    Quote Originally Posted by KarrinMurphy View Post
    I'm confused by your response. If they each need equal tending, how then does a balanced inside equate to a balanced outside?
    There's no right or wrong answer - each individual has to find their own balance.

    For me, it was the realization that I don't need to be out in the woods to feel spiritual. I don't even like the Great Outdoors unless there is a hotel with a bar, good restaurant & hot running water nearby. Once I learned that a city could be my personal sacred space, it cleared up a lot of time I had spent looking for time when I could 'get away from it all'. My tapwater is sacred, the food in my fridge is sacred and I'm sacred. When I need to reconnect, I take a hot shower or go out in my backyard & wave to the Moon, or even just close my eyes and focus on my breathing for a few minutes.

    But that's what works for me - you've got to listen to yourself and find what works for you.
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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    you've got to listen to yourself and find what works for you.
    nice one !

    that works for me too...the spiritual side of things works fine...the mundane side...blimey how many psychologists have you on hand....balance is something that every one of us has to find for ourselves

    there is no right and no wrong balance....just what works

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    Which is more important? (mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

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    Re: Which Is More Important? (Mundane Life vs. Spiritual Life)

    Quote Originally Posted by KarrinMurphy View Post
    I just read a Witchvox article which began by saying that one's mundane life must be in order before one's spiritual life can follow. Perhaps it's a commonly distributed bit of advice.

    I'm trying to do things in reverse. I had assumed that my mundane life being out of whack was just a symptom of the underlying issue, and that getting my spiritual and emotional affairs in order would translate into a better, more organized and calm daily life by providing an anchor of sorts.

    What do you think?
    I think the mundane has to be in order for the spiritual to work. Consider that no matter how much the spiritual feeds your body it will die unless the mundane body is feed as well. Yet if you do not have the means to feed the mundane then the body can not be feed. So you have to have the means to obtain food to feed the body. That means a job or whatever but the mundane has to be in balance and working before you can dedicate the time and energy to the spiritual.

    Sort of like social development I suppose. Artistic endeavors didn't develop until basic mundane needs were filled. Once you had a balance or surplus then you could dedicate the time to the other. Well unless you were of the religious class and others provided to you which not to many of us have today.

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