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Thread: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

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    an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    Merry meet ) o (
    Im considering the phrase "an it harm none " And its correlation to food.
    Due to a medical condition, I find it harder to chew and thus prefer soft foods. This means I am not the biggest fan of meat the only meats I eat are chicken and turkey. I do like fish (yes, I know fish counts as meat , but just as an explanation aid im doing them separately.
    But I know that I don't have it in me to kill an animal. Not for food, not for anything, so why should I eat it?
    Not to mention that our bodies ,(at least from my reading on the topic) don't seem to be designed to eat meat or dairy products. The exclusion of both these things from the diet is veganism.
    Which imho at this moment , cause a the least harm to anything and everything. I still want to study it properly ,meditate on it and make sure I have all the information but I am considering becoming vegan.
    Are you vegetarian/vegan? Or do you eat meat.? Opinions please
    Merry part )o(

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    When you eat plants they die.
    When you take a shower you kill millions of bacteria on your body.

    I've had serious desires to hunt and kill deer with just my teeth, RAWR.


    In all seriousness, try vegan, you'll probably quit after a while due to lack of energy and the weekly grocery bill.
    I don't get the whole no meat thing. I tried the vegetarian thing, and it just sucked.

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    Only way to harm none is to be dead. You are part of the living world. Eat the foods you like to eat.
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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    I like meat, therefore I eat it.

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    I think it's important to respect that everything we consume came from a living thing of some sort and that producing it involves resources. That being said, I don't think you have to be vegetarian (unless you want to).

    I'm a bit biased because I have allergies that prevent me from going veggie (and especially vegan), so I have to reconcile my views with my own health. I try not to waste things, try not to overconsume, and I try to make choices that have less impact on the environment.

    As for killing, I can and have. I used to fish occasionally when I was growing up. I don't know how I'd feel about killing a rabbit, deer, or cow though. I could probably do it if it was far away. Still, the fish wasn't all that bad. As long as it's quick.

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    I'm probably not the best person to offer an opinion on this, because A) I don't believe in 'harm none' in the first place, and B) I don't believe that 'harm none' has any business being tied to vegetarianism or veganism. We harm things every day, as the others have pointed out. Our very existence and movement in this world causes the death of thousands of organisms, let alone when you take into account the living things that we willfully kill.

    I don't believe that is wrong to kill things for the betterment of our safety and wellbeing. But I also believe that there is not that much difference in morality between killing a cow and killing a pathogen or an insect. All life is sacred to me, but a part of that sacredness is it's place within the cycle of things, and death is just as sacred to me as life. So to me, being vegan from some sense of morality about not causing harm to animals makes very little sense... because you are still killing plants and other living things.

    And quite aside from that, I dislike the picking and choosing of what products to abstain from... it's relatively easy to cut meat out of the diet, but what of the animal products that are in everything else? If you really wish to cut out all things that are obtained via the death of an animal, you must also look at soaps, detergents, make up, buttons, fabrics, deserts... you'd be surprised exactly what things contain animal products. Factor into that the environmental ramifications of the mass production of just about everything that we utilise in modern society and the morality of consumerism becomes very complicated.

    I am not against vegetarianism or veganism. I think that some people can live very healthy and fulfilling lives within those lifestyles. But if morality and 'harm none' is your reason for looking into those lifestyles then please do some research into the wider picture. And if you do decide that is road that you want to take, also consider products other than food. It's true that we can only do so much... but I find it a little hypocritical when I meet a vegan who shuns meat and dairy but uses shampoo and makeup that not only contains animal products, but is tested on animals. Alternatives to these products are readily available if you know where to look.

    And remember too that sometimes 'harm' needs to be prioritised. If you can't cut out ALL products that contain animal products or are tested on animals, then learn about the conditions and slaughtering of those animals and make informed decisions. Because the reality is that milk from a local small dairy or eggs from free range chooks cause less 'harm' than a commercial soap containing animal byproducts.

    Personally, my consumerism decisions are not about whether something is killed, but things like how it lived and how it was killed, what impact the production has on the environment, what impact the waste will have on the environment, and whether something is local or endemic. Free range and grass fed are two things that are particularly important to me, as well as local and in-season. I chose soaps and detergents that are grey water safe and don't harm aquatic life (which a surprising number of them do). And I look for things that are Australian owned (or whatever country you are in), recycled or recyclable, and endorsed by environmental protection agencies. Even simple things like the brand of tissues that you use can have ramifications for a 'harm none' morality.

    The key is to educate yourself and make informed decisions rather than jump on a bandwagon without digging into the nuts and bolts of things. Then figure out what your moral priorities are and create a hierarchy of importance for everything that you use in order to facilitate those decisions.

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    We're omnivores, we eat whatever we can get our hands on. That's how we as humans have been since the very beginning, it's only relatively recently that we have the medical and agricultural knowledge and capacity to facilitate such an unnatural diet.

    If you feel the need to do such a thing, that's your business. If I had trouble with chewing meat, I'd just eat soft meat... which is easy enough to get ahold of.

    I do not consider eating meat to be unethical in and of itself, nor do I consider killing animals for their meat unethical. As long as the animal's death, and life in the case of farmed animals, was handled humanely. Which, given the state of the meat industry, is hideously unlikely.

    It's not like the agriculture industry is without fault either. We need to manage our food better. Production and distribution especially. That is a grand societal problem, our individual diets don't matter one whit in terms of changing that. We, as a whole, are in the wrong for allowing it.

    I'd be fine with a mostly vegetarian diet, I wouldn't mind terribly if most of my meals didn't have meat in it. As in only on special occasion or for a treat and the like. The only reason I haven't, is that I just couldn't be bothered.

    Once I move off the rez, hopefully to someplace where the nearest market isn't forty miles away, I'll have to try that. Hopefully it'll force some variety into my eating habits.
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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    You said it so much better Rae'ya...totally agree!

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    Wow , thank you so much for your replies.
    To answer a few points raised :
    1) if I did decide to go vegan , of course I would apply this theology to all parts of my life. It would be hypocritical to not apply it.of course I would look into all sides of the argument.
    2) it was actually very interesting to hear all your perspectives on this topic. Whilst I disagree with some points, I greatly appreciate that you took the time to answer. Becoming part of this forum has opened my eyes to many different perspectives within the pagan and even non pagan community. I hope to learn more .
    3) as in nature , there is ALWAYS and imbalance , however slight it may be"harm none" (which is a concept.i know not everyone agrees with) means trying to cause as little harm as is possible. And also that this harm is unintentional.
    Anyway. Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply
    Blessed be ) o (

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    Re: an it harm none : meat eater, vegetarian, or vegan?

    Quote Originally Posted by unityquest View Post

    Not to mention that our bodies ,(at least from my reading on the topic) don't seem to be designed to eat meat or dairy products. The exclusion of both these things from the diet is veganism.
    We are omnivorous mammals, so this statement is not entirely true.


    To be perfectly honest, all things live and all things die. Nature is an incredible killer of things. Not killing things is in itself unnatural. I am not saying kill things because it's fun, because it's not. But I have never felt as though the concept of " 'an it harm none", was entirely feasible. What happens when harming someone prevents harm to thousands more? Again personal opinion, but food choices which are natural to humans include a variety of nuts, grains and MEAT. Seriously, those sharp teeth in your mouth? Evolved for the tearing of meat, I meantion it because it is something you can clearly see by looking into the mirror and opening your mouth, they are essentially meat teeth. People are supposed to have meat, its part of our evolution. Hunters and gatherers hunted as well as gathered. Not eating meat is unnatural... Im not saying that if you don't want to eat meat you are wrong, but make sure your reasons for making such a decision are based off of facts rather than just google....
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