Kid who recorded being bullied,fined..but it gets better.

[anunitu]

This kid recorded being bullied at his school,AND the school tries to fine him and charge him with wire tapping.

Read this story,and see that the school backed off.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/da-drop-charge-student-who-videoed-bullies/nfbfp/

[Gleb]

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It's idiotic. I mean, if someone threats a person, the person might record the threats or call the police and put the phone on speaker....
The bullies are going to beat him hell knows until when and he mustn't do anything? What kind of school is that?

[satanic witch]

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i think its crazy how schools will tell you to tell teacher or a thousand other things other than resort to violence, and then when someone records the bullying they get in trouble . good thing he didnt get the charges pressed . personally if i were him id be receving assault charges cause that seems to be the only reliable way to deal with bullies .

[B. de Corbin]

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It's idiotic. I mean, if someone threats a person, the person might record the threats or call the police and put the phone on speaker....
The bullies are going to beat him hell knows until when and he mustn't do anything? What kind of school is that?

It's going to depend on which state a person is in, because wire tapping laws vary from state to state. I don't know what the laws are in Pennsylvania (and I'm afraid to check Wikki), but in Michigan, as long as one person in the conversation knows it's being recorded, it is legal to record.

Of course, there is the difference between the spirit of a law, and the letter of the law - in this case, he may jhave violated the letter, but he didn't violate the spirit (IMHO).

[nbdy]

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Sadly, bullying is practiced by adults, so they can be a bit blase about it. I have heard more than once that it is "part of growing up." I will never forget the parents who, when I brought their child's bad behavior to their attention, actually joined in the bullying of my then 5-year-old: "She's just a big baby." Way to raise your kid. We were visiting Pennsylvania at the time. hmmmm

[Gleb]

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It's going to depend on which state a person is in, because wire tapping laws vary from state to state. I don't know what the laws are in Pennsylvania (and I'm afraid to check Wikki), but in Michigan, as long as one person in the conversation knows it's being recorded, it is legal to record.

Of course, there is the difference between the spirit of a law, and the letter of the law - in this case, he may jhave violated the letter, but he didn't violate the spirit (IMHO).

The same here in Israel. I am not a police officer, but when bullying and recording are compared, I think that bullying has a greater weight of breaking the law, at least from the point of view of the spirit.

[midgnostic]

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Seems to me that children can only really do as they please, and so children who bully are really just displacing their own hurt feelings.
I think it's up to responsible adults to identify the source of the bully's frustration, be it arising from direct abuse / neglect or just being forced to reside in an environment which is unsuitable for them. Anywhere where children are recognised as minors it's implicit that the buck shouldn't stop with them.

[B. de Corbin]

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Anywhere where children are recognised as minors it's implicit that the buck shouldn't stop with them.

With whom should the buck stop?

Here is what a school can do:

1. Suspend the kid for up to three days (any longer requires a legal hearing)
2. Mediation, or peer mediation (this works with the "nice" kids, only)
3. Separate kids by putting them in separate classes (but they can not prevent the kids from mingling outside the classroom - it's a legal issue, and the school has NO AUTHORITY to do it, or ability to police it...)

[satanic witch]

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With whom should the buck stop?

Here is what a school can do:

1. Suspend the kid for up to three days (any longer requires a legal hearing)
2. Mediation, or peer mediation (this works with the "nice" kids, only)
3. Separate kids by putting them in separate classes (but they can not prevent the kids from mingling outside the classroom - it's a legal issue, and the school has NO AUTHORITY to do it, or ability to police it...)

why not let kids defend themselves if you get bullied punch the bully a few times in the face and go about your day . im fine with law and order but bullying isnt fixable by the school or the parents and is to difficult to fight using law enforcement since half the time they will arrest you as well , and currently there isnt a law in place that allows you to convict someone of bullying . i say somethings shouldnt be a legal issue and bullying is one of them let the kids fight there own battle .

[Corvus]

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"12 states forbid the recording of private conversations without the consent of all parties. They are California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington." according to wing field audio.
Something similar happened a bit ago here. There were a lot of reports of police brutality so people started recording the cops and they were arrested for it. New York is a one party consent state (so are most states) so as long as one party, the recorder for example, wants to record it's legal to do so without informing others involved.

Bullying is difficult for schools to do much about. I say this as having served on multiple staff committees as a student representative. At least here in NewYork there has been laws made which put a protocol on any accusation of harassment or bullying in school. This involves mandatory reporting (previously it was at the discretion of whoever dealt with it), as well as documentation. Once a certain number of infractions, or infractions of a more serious nature are documented then there's a hearing with the superintendent and possible legal action. It's still not a solution but it has decreased things somewhat.

[Gleb]

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Two years ago, a student from a higher class had bullied one of my classmates in an aggressive way. To be more specific, he beat the classmate's head on one of our school's fences. The classmate was lead to hospital, the one who bullied him was kicked out of school (he had some violent background within our school's borders). By the way, he was a student with special needs. I don't know if it's correct to call him an autist... Anyway, he is not learning in our school anymore.

[midgnostic]

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With whom should the buck stop?

Here is what a school can do:

1. Suspend the kid for up to three days (any longer requires a legal hearing)
2. Mediation, or peer mediation (this works with the "nice" kids, only)
3. Separate kids by putting them in separate classes (but they can not prevent the kids from mingling outside the classroom - it's a legal issue, and the school has NO AUTHORITY to do it, or ability to police it...)

I think a moderate and respectful degree of segregation would help to nurture a child's best qualities, be it sensibility or a proclivity to industrious activity. Enough exposure to encourage an appreciation of diversity but obviously not so much that situations like those described here frequently arise.

[MaskedOne]

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segregation

Define in general terms what you mean by this because the meaning I normally give the word pretty much kills the premise once I see the term.

[midgnostic]

Re: Kid who recorded being bullied,fined..but it gets better.

Define in general terms what you mean by this because the meaning I normally give the word pretty much kills the premise once I see the term.

Most education systems recognise academic ability as the greatest mark of distinction for a child, yet despite the best efforts of teachers and parents this type of success is something the majority of children cannot realistically aspire to. The negative repercussions of an exaggerated regard for grades is actually reinforced by the liberal sentiment that all children should have the opportunity to excel in this way, as this ensures that those without these particular skills have their failings held up to the light on a daily basis. Alternative provisions for less academic pupils would help legitimise their best efforts, and enhance their contribution to society.

There is already a massive difference in all western societies between the demand for and the supply of labour - a difference which is commonly resolved by outsourcing work or by recruiting migrants, simply because our education systems aren't configured to produce graduates with the requisite skills. While our economies at present should not be upheld as standards against which to orientate our efforts, sustainable steady-state economies will require more human industry because the reduction in energy consumption necessary for our survival will entail disruptions resulting in more localised, less mechanised initiatives.

[B. de Corbin]

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What pamphlet did that come out of?