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    Exclamation The doom of Ukraine

    Just saw this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKVaL0Q5DOY
    That's what happening in Odessa, Ukraine. College girls make molotovs and cause terror in the city.
    For those who don't know very much - there is a war in Ukraine between the government, civilians and bandits. The video is an example of what's going on there.
    It's just sad. The country is doomed for destruction. Perhaps there is a solution, but it is very miserable.

    It's better for civilians to join Russia at the moment. Among 2 problem, one picks the smaller one.
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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    Odessa was a beautiful city when I was there back in the late 90's. Shame to see it like that and the people at each others throats. What's really sad is the reports of today are not significantly different than they were in the 1920 time frame.

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    Damn..... Only now there was written in the news that this video was made by people from Russia by purpose. Baaahhh!!!!
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    Lots of propaganda going around these days,check the sources when watching or reading things.
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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    I will admit myself to be no proper fan of Russia, as I greatly disagree with Putin on a great deal, if not most all, of issues, but I cannot find it within me to support the actions of Kiev. I personally believe that the Pro-Russians are more legitimate in their grievances than Euromaidan, and I support their ability to break away from Ukraine and join Russia. I agree with the video.

    I've listed a few of the considerations that went into my support of the Pro-Russians below.

    Considering that the acting 'government' of Ukraine has kicked out two democratically elected political parties which held Pro-Russian views (the Communist Party and the Party of Regions), and considering that they overthrew a democratically elected government.

    Considering that the acting 'government' of Ukraine has removed the special status that the Russian language used to have, and thus spat directly in the face of all Russian speakers in Ukraine.

    Considering that the the acting 'government' of Ukraine slanders the Pro-Russians with the title of 'terrorists' for using the same tactics as Euromaidan, by taking over government buildings, that put them in power in the first place, and is now using the military against them for expressing their democratic voice through organised protest and democratic referendum.

    Considering that the the acting 'government' of Ukraine has a good sized presence of far-right nationalists and political parties (especially Svoboda) who have been shown repeatedly honouring individuals like Stepan Bandera, and having them gained a large increase in their political power in the new government.

    Sorry if its a bit small, but I didn't want it to take up a lot of space. :3

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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    I could give a laundry list much larger of terrible things that Russians have done, I am very shocked to see the sentence "I've listed a few of the considerations that went into my support of the Pro-Russians below." to be honest. I can't even believe those 4 meager arguments were presented considering what Russia has done. If I wasn't sicker than sick itself, I'd list some things.
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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    Running the risk of getting my ass chewed off for this but anyway.
    Like Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland or the Palestine/Israel conflict there's a huge amount of pot/kettle/black here, so I'm not going to comment further. Both side has done horrendous things and I'm not a local so I have no idea what would even begin to constitute the "right" solution in this.
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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    I just hope there isn't another war. That's not what we need.
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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    Agree. But I have a feeling that there is a small chance for Ukraine to survive. It hurts to know that the country one was born in will fall soon.
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    Re: The doom of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by anubisa View Post
    I just hope there isn't another war. That's not what we need.
    It's what keeps the money machine crankin'...if there can be a war, someone can make a profit and there will be a war.
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