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    The NSA has a picture of you

    Well, it now appears that our beloved National Security Agency is now collecting our photos from online sources, much like pedophiles collect pictures of sub-teenage children from Facebook.

    Always wear a fake Duck Dynasty beard when you take selfies.

    N.S.A. Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images
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    As if we needed yet another reason to not put all of our personal shit in one place.

    Honestly, I've more or less stopped harping on the FB thing because nobody seems inclined to listen. I'll make it simple for everyone.

    I have been harping on the privacy/security thing for well over 3 years. A few months ago my wife (my friggen WIFE) said to me, "That's ok, I don't have my address in Facebook, so they don't know where I am."
    I said, "Is your address in Google? How about eBay, or Amazon, or Design Tuscano?"
    She said, "Yeah, but they can't match that up to my facebook information...can they?"

    The simple fact is: All it takes is 3 points of data to determine that someone is YOU. Specifically YOU. They know where you live, they know how to find you, and unless you're under 18 you have committed enough felonies already to get locked up in prison for the rest of your life.

    You do not need to make it impossible for them to track you in order to have a reasonable chance of living your life unmolested...but for shit's sake, at least make it a little harder for them.

    So the NSA is tracking faces...and phone calls, and emails. And your money (who you pay, when you pay, how you pay, etc). They know where you live and where you work. They know your friends. They know your family. They know how you've voted (probably).

    How long will it be before the general public wakes up and realizes this is a problem?

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      #3
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      They'll wake up and realize it's a problem right after it's too late.

      That's humanity's standard operating procedure, isn't it?
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        I am old enough to remember before all this "spying" on the people,but even in the way back,you still left tracks in your life. Being in the service meant they have your fingerprints,not to mention your picture. Getting a credit card exposed a lot of your personal data....and it goes on and on....You are photographed when you are born,and they take your footprint(maybe fingerprints now days).

        I believe there is no such thing as privacy or running below the grid anymore for anyone.

        Where the tech is now is anyone's guess,and what you know is most likely 20 years old(the stealth bomber was build back in the 70's,and we know only now that it IS).

        So good luck remaining "Outside" the main stream,it is all around you always.
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          Originally posted by anunitu View Post
          I am old enough to remember before all this "spying" on the people,but even in the way back,you still left tracks in your life. Being in the service meant they have your fingerprints,not to mention your picture. Getting a credit card exposed a lot of your personal data....and it goes on and on....You are photographed when you are born,and they take your footprint(maybe fingerprints now days).

          I believe there is no such thing as privacy or running below the grid anymore for anyone.

          Where the tech is now is anyone's guess,and what you know is most likely 20 years old(the stealth bomber was build back in the 70's,and we know only now that it IS).

          So good luck remaining "Outside" the main stream,it is all around you always.
          It's true that people have left paper trails ever since the turn of the century (prior to that, you could move to a different state, or even town, and create a whole new identity, just by saying you were someone else), but, in the past, it was always so labor intensive to correlate the data that it wasn't worthwhile to do it, unless a specific need to do so arose.

          Now, data can be correlated by pushing a button, and massive databases don't take much room (you can store close to 700,000 text pages in one gigabyte), and it can be searched very, very quickly.

          It's the ease with which information can be correlated, stored, and accessed that makes it so creepy.
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            #6
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            George Orwell had his head screwed on straight, unfortunately.

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              Ugh. I'm not so concerned about myself...I purposely gave up my total privacy years ago, because a lot of what I wanted to do in the past (marketing) involved a web presence and in my current line, it definitely doesn't hurt. Still, I think it should be a choice. I chose to put myself all over the Internet for all to see. A lot of people want to use the Internet but value their privacy and that choice should be respected.

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                I'm glad I'm old enough to really not care much. I think I've posted this here before, but when I got divorced in 1984, I took out a PO Box, had an unlisted number, etc., to keep my ex away, and it sort of became a game with myself to see how private and hidden I could become. Once 9/11 happened it was all over, and I was becoming a homeowner around that time anyway so I knew things would change.
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                  Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
                  Well, it now appears that our beloved National Security Agency is now collecting our photos from online sources, much like pedophiles collect pictures of sub-teenage children from Facebook.

                  Always wear a fake Duck Dynasty beard when you take selfies.

                  N.S.A. Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images
                  When we're objectified so systemically it seems little of our real selves can be apparent but then like lab rats the
                  act of testing alters the test material. Myself, when I'm not too busy looking pretty for the camera I try to look as far back and as far forward as possible

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                    #10
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                    I'm really not okay with this.

                    I'm off FB, I don't have twitter, or whatever else kids use these days. But I have here, and Reddit, and a few blogs floating around...and I think someone could figure it out lickity split. And I'm not alright with that.


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                      Originally posted by volcaniclastic View Post
                      I'm really not okay with this.

                      I'm off FB, I don't have twitter, or whatever else kids use these days. But I have here, and Reddit, and a few blogs floating around...and I think someone could figure it out lickity split. And I'm not alright with that.
                      Well, if it's any consolation there's some good news here (at least for now).

                      As BDC points out above, historically it was far too difficult to put the pieces together to try to harass one random person or to get one piece of information. Hackers were notorious (back in the day) for dumpster diving to piece together shredded documents so that they could hack networks or determine corporate structures. Of course, today these are very minor issues, since most everything is available online. The only difficult thing to do is to get credentials to get into a given system, and as we're reminded every few months that's not a very difficult thing to do at all.

                      But the true silver lining here is that most (if not all) of us aren't important enough for anyone to bother. As Danni mentioned, I gave up my personal right to privacy a long time ago when I worked for the NSA. I've never had an expectation of the Government not watching me or tracking my movements. But the guy next door? Yeah, he didn't sign on for that shit.

                      And I guess my real problem here is this: When i was told that I would be "watched", it was implied (if not outright stated) that it was a process by which they monitor their former staff to attempt to identify turncoats and spies before they...well...release secret information. So ok, by that logic they won't say a damned thing if I'm shooting up heroin in my living room, right?

                      Well, the Snowden releases say otherwise...and that's where I have a problem. Not because I want to do heroin, but because drug use has approximately zero to do with National Security...so they shouldn't "notice" things that don't directly involve what they're specifically looking for. Of course, we are human beings, and curious, and we *will* notice those things...but there's an ethical responsibility to do your fucking job. As a computer geek it may annoy the crap out of me to clear spyware off of your computer, but I'm not supposed to "notice" the porn in your video's folder because (unless it's pedophile porn or something) it's not my fucking job to be your moral compass. Neither is it the Government's job to identify each and every rule broken, to notify the correct authorities...not their job. Their job is to protect our borders, NOT to restrict our Freedoms.

                      So yeah...between this and TrueCrypt taking a dump, it's a very dark week for Security and Freedom.

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                        #12
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                        I hope it's a good pic of me.
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                          #13
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                          On one hand, of all the many, many, many ethical cluster-f***s that the NSA is guilty of, collecting my photo off FaceBook (in some sick alternate universe where I put my photo on FaceBook) doesn't bother me.

                          Why? I have a driver's license. I presume that the NSA can access DMV records whenever it wants to so they already have my photo.

                          Unfortunately, a lot of photos are taken with cell phone cameras. Those include hidden data and I don't particularly care for the NSA having even more power to piece together a story of everyone's life whenever they get bored. More than that, I don't feel that they need enhanced abilities to map out everyone's friends and personal connects by copying group photos and comparing every face to official records. It'd be nice to see our intelligence agencies curbed a little. The game of, "How many ways can we completely ignore the because it's fun got old years ago.
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                            What I'm not okay with especially is the fact that the NSA watches my area of Canada today. They act like they have a search warrant on the Constitutional Monarchy Of Canada.

                            By the way, heres Canadas version of the NSA, they admit that they've probably filmed everybody in the country.

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                              #15
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                              There was some big to-do in Missouri last year about the DMV's info being accessed somehow. Another thing is Child ID cards - You know, those driver license look-alikes for little kids with all their personal info on them, for parents to show police if something happens? Those don't appear from the sky. The info is stored, sent to a company, stored at the company, printed on a card, sent back to the school and distributed. I once worked for a company that did the printing. If a run had a streak or something, rendering SOME of the cards unusable, they re-did the whole thing, and used any good leftover ones as samples for prospective schools, or just general sales samples. REAL ID cards. Not to mention the people actually operating the printers were brought in daily by the van load from in front of the 7-11, and paid cash.

                              There are bigger things to worry about, security-wise, than the NSA. IMO.
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