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    Not hellenic?

    Is it possible to still worship/work with Greek or Roman deities without being hellenic? Does anyone here do it?

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    Re: Not hellenic?

    Anything's possible. That's kind of in the nature of eclecticism, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EclecticWitch View Post
    Is it possible to still worship/work with Greek or Roman deities without being hellenic? Does anyone here do it?
    Short answer: Lots of people interact with the Olympians and don't claim to be Hellenic.

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    Re: Not hellenic?

    It's possible to interact with deities from totally different pantheons. You don't have to be something specific. It can be something like: Ogma, Athena and Odin.
    And the answer to your question is - yes. If you work with one or two hellenic deities, it can be something personal.
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    Re: Not hellenic?

    Quote Originally Posted by EclecticWitch View Post
    Is it possible to still worship/work with Greek or Roman deities without being hellenic? Does anyone here do it?
    The Olympians I am bound to and honor I try to work with in the Hellenic way with offerings, dates, etc. Roman or Etruscan utilize a lot of Hellenic methodology but their not Hellenic but Pax Roma I think it's called. Basically a different manner of right though and right practice vice a personal relationship with the divine in practice. Yet because I do not work with the entire pantheon I am not a Hellenic practitioner nor a recon so would be seen as eclectic in that regard. So yes you can work with member's of the pantheon and not be Hellenic in practice.

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    Re: Not hellenic?

    I think this is one of those times when people get the terminology mixed up. If you are working with Greek deities, you are working with Hellenic deities.

    "Hellenic" is just an adjective. All it means is "of or relating to Greece, its people, or its language; specifically: of or relating to ancient Greek history, culture, or art before the Hellenistic period". Hellenism is a neo-classical aesthetic movement in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and Hellenistic is the time period between the death of Alexander the Great and the Battle of Actium, Hellene is the word for a person that is Greek.

    Hellenismos, on the other hand, specifically refers to Greek religion and seems to have pretty much been claimed by Hellenic Polytheists, usually of the Recon sort. You can have a practice that is Hellenic without practicing Hellenismos. And yes, you can worship Hellenic deities outside of the context of Hellenismos as well. Also, the Roman polytheistic reconstructionist religion is the Religio Romana--one group is Nova Roma, and they have some pretty good info on the subject.

    Don't get me wrong, there are always people that delight in being a jerk. Expect that someone, somewhere will be offended by what you are doing, regardless of what you are doing (or how you define it)!


    (Eta: and, yes, i acknowlege and make offerings to a handful of Greek and Roman deities (and other entities))
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    Re: Not hellenic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Denarius View Post
    Anything's possible. That's kind of in the nature of eclecticism, eh?
    Very true

    Quote Originally Posted by Gleb View Post
    It's possible to interact with deities from totally different pantheons. You don't have to be something specific. It can be something like: Ogma, Athena and Odin.
    And the answer to your question is - yes. If you work with one or two hellenic deities, it can be something personal.
    Alright, thank you for the reply!

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I think this is one of those times when people get the terminology mixed up. If you are working with Greek deities, you are working with Hellenic deities.

    "Hellenic" is just an adjective. All it means is "of or relating to Greece, its people, or its language; specifically: of or relating to ancient Greek history, culture, or art before the Hellenistic period". Hellenism is a neo-classical aesthetic movement in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and Hellenistic is the time period between the death of Alexander the Great and the Battle of Actium, Hellene is the word for a person that is Greek.

    Hellenismos, on the other hand, specifically refers to Greek religion and seems to have pretty much been claimed by Hellenic Polytheists, usually of the Recon sort. You can have a practice that is Hellenic without practicing Hellenismos. And yes, you can worship Hellenic deities outside of the context of Hellenismos as well. Also, the Roman polytheistic reconstructionist religion is the Religio Romana--one group is Nova Roma, and they have some pretty good info on the subject.

    Don't get me wrong, there are always people that delight in being a jerk. Expect that someone, somewhere will be offended by what you are doing, regardless of what you are doing (or how you define it)!


    (Eta: and, yes, i acknowlege and make offerings to a handful of Greek and Roman deities (and other entities))
    Ahh, I never the difference in terms! And yes there will always be people who are offended :P I was just making sure it was approproiating greek religion/culture by interacting with greek deities!

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