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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Lilith as in Adam's prior wife?

    If yes, do the other 3 also have human origin?
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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Lilith as in Adam's prior wife?

    If yes, do the other 3 also have human origin?
    Interesting enough, Lilith and her story can be found in Jewish folk lore. I'm a big fan of hers. Wasn't made from Adam but with Adam. Didn't want to take it on her back so she got banished. God decided Adam was too docile I guess and made Eve out of his rib. And Lilith hunts the children of Eve. In fact she's knows as the mother of vampires in some lore. And there is a three angel incantation you say by your baby's crib that keeps her away. I made a beautiful hand embroidered name plate with the three angels for a friend's first baby.
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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Huh. I didn't realize Eisheth and Namaah were fallen angels. Somebody hasn't done their research properly...

    (I, too, worship a Namaah, though from an entirely different fictitious standpoint...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by volcaniclastic View Post
    Huh. I didn't realize Eisheth and Namaah were fallen angels. Somebody hasn't done their research properly...

    (I, too, worship a Namaah, though from an entirely different fictitious standpoint...)
    From Terre d'Ange? Reread the series with some Jewish heretic knowledge under your belt... fully half of the Companions are inspired by fallen angels. Not to mention the obvious influence of stories of the Watchers and the Nephilim. I actually found it really interesting and I think her research and understanding of what she was blending was probably deeper than most fans realise. I've been trying to get Torey to read the first series (which I own), but he struggles with non-fiction as it just doesn't hold his interest. (Incidentally, I've not read the third series.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    From Terre d'Ange? Reread the series with some Jewish heretic knowledge under your belt... fully half of the Companions are inspired by fallen angels. Not to mention the obvious influence of stories of the Watchers and the Nephilim. I actually found it really interesting and I think her research and understanding of what she was blending was probably deeper than most fans realise. I've been trying to get Torey to read the first series (which I own), but he struggles with non-fiction as it just doesn't hold his interest. (Incidentally, I've not read the third series.)
    I've read all three series, twice. Where do you recommend starting, with the heretic knowledge?

    Torey, seriously. Read the books. It'll improve your sex life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by volcaniclastic View Post
    I've read all three series, twice. Where do you recommend starting, with the heretic knowledge?
    That's a hard one for me to answer, because I picked most of mine up via Torey and his books. If you're a Googler, I'd probably start with the Watchers and the Nephilim, and Googling the name of each of the Companions, then follow the trails. Otherwise, Torey has a stack of books (probably some ebooks also) that he references. For the most part you have to back to Jewish myth and tradition rather than stopping at Christian or Catholic Old Testament stuff (which a lot of people do, out of lack of direction), then branch out into the Apocrypha. But for the purposes of some background info for a reread... Google is probably sufficient.

    Also... ask Torey stuff. He loves it.

    And that reminds me... he has some essays he wrote about the Four Queens somewhere... hopefully they were backed up and we didn't lose them when the laptop was stolen, but if so I'm pretty sure he'd posted them at another forum... when he gets home I'll make sure he sees this. He might be willing to post them up or PM you.

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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LeviImmortal View Post
    Strange question, does Satan have any qualms about dating/ marrying Christians? Lol.
    Not to my knowledge.

    He is actually surprisingly unconcerned with what Christians believe and do in my experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Lilith as in Adam's prior wife?

    If yes, do the other 3 also have human origin?
    Yes, that Lilith. I also second pretty much everything that Medusa said relative to Lilith. There has, within recent years, been a surge in the number of Neo-Pagans (mostly Neo-Wiccans) claiming a connection with Lilith - not surprisingly, considering she is often viewed as a champion of women due to the lore surrounding her departure from Adam.

    Regarding the others, the only other who has (speculative) human origins is Naamah.

    Quote Originally Posted by volcaniclastic View Post
    I've read all three series, twice. Where do you recommend starting, with the heretic knowledge?

    Torey, seriously. Read the books. It'll improve your sex life.
    lol I've read about 75% of the first book and it was quite sexy - this conversation may just inspire me to read the rest...

    The Zohar would be my first recommendation. Genesis: Chapter XXXII

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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Not challenging the decision, just confirming the reference. I'm aware of both the lore and Lilith's current popularity. Just wanted to be sure that there wasn't a second figure named Lilith floating around. My greater interest was the second question.
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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Is there some sort of rite or initiation ritual one must complete to become a Theistic Satanist? Or some sort of dedication or blood oath?

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    Re: Ask a Theistic Satanist/Demonolator Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by LeviImmortal View Post
    Is there some sort of rite or initiation ritual one must complete to become a Theistic Satanist? Or some sort of dedication or blood oath?
    There is no one ritual nor is there are requirement for initiation at all. Many choose to self-dedicate through the creation of a pact, just for the sake of theatrics and psychodrama. Others may choose to self-dedicate through a simple ritual and blood offering. If one is being accepted into a group of Theistic Satanists, the requirements of the group may be rather specific. Some Demonolators initiate neophytes through a rather elaborate ritual which involves branding the skin with the sigil of the Patron/Matron Demon.

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