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    Re: Rune of the Month

    Okay, here goes. The first big problem we have is that the Elder Futhark (which is what most people mean when they talk about runes and rune reading) contains runes that cannot be found in three of the rune poems, but only in the Old English Rune Poem (aka The Anglo-Saxon Rune Poem and I'll refer to it henceforth as the OERP)
    So basically we are playing pick'n'mix a bit here. Using meanings from Norse and Icelandic Rune Poems (which have a rather different background and culture) when possible and the OERP when it isn't.
    Why does this matter? Well, because the OERP has a very different way of doing things. Because it's background is different (really, really different I promise) and because it needs to build up stage by stage to our understanding. This particular rune is number 19 meaning we are already well over half way.

    Now, by the time we reach this stage in our reading, we realise that the OERP works on several levels. You can read it for what it seems to be. And I think this was intentional. If we want to go no further, then here is a meaning. Not 'the' meaning, but 'a' meaning. If we want to go further of course then we should. And if we do, we find that the nobles/earls etc referred to in the poem are not 'nobles' as such, but an elite. And not a warrior elite (unless we want to go that way with the meaning) but a spiritual elite, and the horse is the vehicle of their journey. The Rad rune has a lot to say about this, too. And this is what I mean, that it is starting to build up an entire set of meanings, rune on rune.

    That's a start, anyway!
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    Re: Rune of the Month

    I've had a thought, and was wondering what you all think of it, as it is to be a collaboration of the rune-workers here on PF. What do you think about creating our own rune-poems?

    I've been spending quite some time learning how to write the skaldic dróttkvœtt, and feel that I've gotten a pretty good handle on it. My thought was running along these lines: If we could come up with two sentences that embody an overview of each rune, I'd love to take that and convert it over into that poetic style. Once finished, we would have a complete poem for all runes, that is reflective of these times and our views.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munin-Hugin View Post
    I've had a thought, and was wondering what you all think of it, as it is to be a collaboration of the rune-workers here on PF. What do you think about creating our own rune-poems?

    I've been spending quite some time learning how to write the skaldic dróttkvœtt, and feel that I've gotten a pretty good handle on it. My thought was running along these lines: If we could come up with two sentences that embody an overview of each rune, I'd love to take that and convert it over into that poetic style. Once finished, we would have a complete poem for all runes, that is reflective of these times and our views.

    Thoughts?
    To be honest, it's not something I would do - it's a bit like a camel being a horse designed by a committee Writing an entire rune poem for oneself I think could work, though again, not for me. But I'm happy for others to give it a go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munin-Hugin View Post
    My thought was running along these lines: If we could come up with two sentences that embody an overview of each rune, I'd love to take that and convert it over into that poetic style. Once finished, we would have a complete poem for all runes, that is reflective of these times and our views.
    I'm a novice with the Runes but for what it's worth, I think this project idea is amazing.

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    Re: Rune of the Month

    Ác

    Elder Futhark: -
    Younger Futhark: -
    Anglo Saxon Futhorc: Ác, meaning 'oak'

    Phonetic value: 'a'

    Pronunciation:
    In Old English, 'Ác' is pronounced 'aak'. The accented 'a' is like that in 'father' but drawn out a bit longer, which is why I say it's pronounced 'aa' rather than just 'a'. A nice easy one

    Note:
    We have a purely Anglo Saxon rune today! There is no directly equivalent rune in either the Elder or Younger futharks. This is one of the situations where the Anglo Saxon Futhorc has expanded on a rune from the the Elder Futhark, probably because of the changes in lanuage. The Elder Futhark has six vowel sounds, while the Anglo Saxon Futhorc has ten (the Younger Futhark has only four)... the extra Anglo Saxon runes represent diphthongs (combined vowel sounds) that weren't found in Old Norse and Proto Germanic. Each new rune then took on a meaning that wasn't necessarily represented in the Elder or Younger Futharks.

    The 'a' runes in the Elder and younger Futharks are Ansuz and Ás, but their meanings are cognate to the Anglo Saxon Ós rune (the 'o' rune, just to be confusing) so I'll put them all together when I pull Ansuz.


    Now you all reply and add your insights... if you don't use Anglo Saxon runes, look it up and see what you think about the extra rune and what it might represent. How does that meaning fit into the Futhark that you use? If you had this rune in your set, how might you interpret it?

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    coolness, link in place.
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    "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

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    Re: Rune of the Month

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    coolness, link in place.
    Cheers, MO. You're a legend. I mean, you know... infamous Eldritch Horror who eats people's souls. Not nice at all. Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munin-Hugin View Post
    I've had a thought, and was wondering what you all think of it, as it is to be a collaboration of the rune-workers here on PF. What do you think about creating our own rune-poems?

    I've been spending quite some time learning how to write the skaldic dróttkvœtt, and feel that I've gotten a pretty good handle on it. My thought was running along these lines: If we could come up with two sentences that embody an overview of each rune, I'd love to take that and convert it over into that poetic style. Once finished, we would have a complete poem for all runes, that is reflective of these times and our views.

    Thoughts?
    I think this is a good idea, but I actively dislike poetry. So if folks want to do this I think it would be a great addition to this thread and would provide some really valuable insight for everyone. It's not something that I would be interested in taking part in myself, though.

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    Re: Rune of the Month

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    Ác

    Elder Futhark: -
    Younger Futhark: -
    Anglo Saxon Futhorc: Ác, meaning 'oak'

    Phonetic value: 'a'

    Pronunciation:
    In Old English, 'Ác' is pronounced 'aak'. The accented 'a' is like that in 'father' but drawn out a bit longer, which is why I say it's pronounced 'aa' rather than just 'a'. A nice easy one

    Note:
    We have a purely Anglo Saxon rune today! There is no directly equivalent rune in either the Elder or Younger futharks. This is one of the situations where the Anglo Saxon Futhorc has expanded on a rune from the the Elder Futhark, probably because of the changes in lanuage. The Elder Futhark has six vowel sounds, while the Anglo Saxon Futhorc has ten (the Younger Futhark has only four)... the extra Anglo Saxon runes represent diphthongs (combined vowel sounds) that weren't found in Old Norse and Proto Germanic. Each new rune then took on a meaning that wasn't necessarily represented in the Elder or Younger Futharks.

    The 'a' runes in the Elder and younger Futharks are Ansuz and Ás, but their meanings are cognate to the Anglo Saxon Ós rune (the 'o' rune, just to be confusing) so I'll put them all together when I pull Ansuz.


    Now you all reply and add your insights... if you don't use Anglo Saxon runes, look it up and see what you think about the extra rune and what it might represent. How does that meaning fit into the Futhark that you use? If you had this rune in your set, how might you interpret it?
    There's quite a bit of prejudice against the AS runes, but they really do repay some study. And as I've probably said before, whatever Futhark/Futhorc you use, it's worth really looking into the background and then trying to work through them as a whole.

    In case you don't have a copy of the translation, there is one here https://www.ragweedforge.com/rpae.html
    However, there is no single translation of the various stanzas and that's important too, because they are open to interpretation. And each stanze has several layers of meaning.

    So, what do you think?
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    Re: Rune of the Month

    The AS rune poem speaks about both acorns (fattening the pigs) and oak wood as used to build ships. To me this refers to it's usefullness to men and it's flexibility as a resource. As 'oak' we also have to think about strength, endurance and unyeilding power. I've also seen Ac described as a lightning rod, as an axis mundi, and as an oaken staff (weapon and symbol of power).

    This all translates into rune galdr and magick easily, but what about divination? How would one interpret this rune if it came up in a reading or cast?

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    Re: Rune of the Month

    For me the OERP isn't just an aid to divination or magic - it follows the way of much other AS poetry, in that it's also a spiritual guide. Bearing in mind that it was written down during the post Conversion period, this could still be based on a much earlier, heathen tradition. For me the way of interpreting it would depend upon any other runes present. Personally I tend to use just three at a time, pulling more if I need clarification. And I never ever ask the querent what their question is - which again I believe is implied in the entire nature of the Rune Poem itself.

    So... I believe that oaks are actually about religious faith, about sacredness. The trees are sacred in so many different cultures, associated with Thor, Perkunas, Zeus and others. So it's a very good cloak for Thor I feel, and for the nature of what is sacred and what is secular - part of the usual game playing we find in AS poetry. But oaks were also used as metaphors for Christianity (as were other trees) and this would have enabled the Rune Poem to overcome any charges of heresy from over zealous clergy.

    And Rae'ya is right, we CAN interpret it as strength, power, and endurance. But it can also be associated with journeys (hence the ship) and not just secular journeys, but spiritual ones too. The whole of the Rune Poem is a tapestry of allusions to other poems (Ac appears for example in the Exeter Riddle Book) and polarising light and shade etc.

    So, for me at least (and I probably sound really vague on this, but I'm not, honestly) the way we interpret this rune will depend on what falls next to it, the overall pattern. Is there a mixture of light and dark? Are there other runes of journeying in the spread? Are we talking about a physical journey, or a journey of the soul?

    Or are we talking about power - and what it achieves? Does it have a responsibility to feed the lowest creatures? Well, it might, especially if it appeared next to Feoh with its 'lots of doom' warning.

    Can you imagine what my rune readings are like??? They are like a story... with the runes as prompts, taking the querent on a journey through light and dark, pain and joy, fear and courage.

    Hope this helps (and doesn't confuse) but please ask if you want me to clarify and I'll do my best.
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