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    Because I find the repetitive nature of history interesting...

    Today's topic, The Bonus Army:

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    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Thank you Thal,I really like this..
    MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

    all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
    NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
    don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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    • #3
      Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

      *The probable history of the Free State of Jones (and soon to be a movie)

      *The deplorable history of exhibiting humans in zoos

      *The largest maritime disaster in US history is something you've probably never heard of...1800 Union survivors of Confederate prison camps headed home died in a tragic boating accident aboard the SS Sultana (more died here than on the Titanic) (and soon to be a documentary, awesomely funded by Kickstarter):



      *The global pandemic caused by the Spanish Flu:






      And as a bonus: An entire blog of forgotten history
      “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

      “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
      ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

      "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
      ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

      "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

      Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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      • #4
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        The Radium Girls: Today workers are entitled to know what chemicals they are working with and what their health hazards are...and you can thank these women for their contribution to that struggle.

        the short of it--

        (this video sounds like a high school project, but its spot on, info-wise)

        the long version--

        (1987 documentary)
        “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

        “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
        ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

        "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
        ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

        "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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        • #5
          Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

          Before there was Rosa Parks, there was 15 year old Claudette Colvin...
          “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

          “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
          ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

          "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
          ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

          "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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          • #6
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            The First Modern Genocide:

            I suppose I should add a trigger warning to this? Its explicit and about genocide and the horrible things people do to one another. So, its real. And it probably worse than anything you can imagine, so get over yourself and deal with it.*

            Before there was Hitler's Germany, there was the ethnic and religious cleansing of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks from Ottoman Turkey.

            This year marks the 100th anniversary, so you may have heard of it in the news. Or maybe (in the only socially conscious and interesting thing they have ever done) because of the Kardashians. Or maybe you are just historically knowledgeable. Many people forget though that it wasn't just the Armenians that Turkey eradicated.

            When I was a sophomore in high school, my high school history teacher brought in a survivor of the Armenian genocide. She was in her 80's when she came to speak to us, and was 5 or 6 when her father was beaten and made to watch his sons get nailed to the rafters and killed by being split open from neck to genitals with bayonets, his oldest daughters raped and beaten, his pregnant wife raped and then cut open so the soldiers could see who won the "bet" of the baby's gender, and they youngest shot because there wasn't enough fun there to be had. Somehow she survived being shot in the head and was left for dead. Someone that had come for the bodies found her (so a Turkish family could have their rather nice house and land) took pity on her and made her hide in the bottom of the cart of her family's corpses, to smuggle them out. She was smuggled out of the country...so she lucked out**, other children that weren't killed were enslaved as laborers for families or in illegal brothels.

            The complicated history of Armenia and Turkey:





            *Sorry, not sorry, Thalassa thinks real life doesn't have a trigger warning. Pretty sure teachers here couldn't even have someone like this tell their story in a classroom anymore. Sad.

            **sarcasm
            “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

            “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
            ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

            "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
            ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

            "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

            Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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            • #7
              Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

              I read where the Pope mentioned this,and the Turks got VERY upset...Sorry Turks,you did it,so you don't get to act all upset when someone brings it up.
              MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

              all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
              NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
              don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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              my new page here,let me know what you think.


              nothing but the shadow of what was

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                Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

                Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                I read where the Pope mentioned this,and the Turks got VERY upset...Sorry Turks,you did it,so you don't get to act all upset when someone brings it up.
                Not that anything excuses genocide, but (in a way that isn't quite so defensible for the Nazi's), their was bad blood on both sides for decades before these events (in actuality, for centuries)--news clippings from the late 1800's are quite interesting (my modern history class a couple years ago discussed "the problem of the late Ottoman Empire" extensively as part of the overall "colonialism can be blamed for most modern ills" theme my very excellent professor was both a fan and a detractor of*)


                *the problem of course being that colonialism didn't cause many tensions or problems that didn't already exist between different ethnic groups, they just short of smothered them for a while (until the fire could burn freely once Western powers left), or interfered in a way that allowed a less powerful group to gain power or a more powerful group gain more power (depending on what Western interests were). Colonialism in these areas of conflict mostly just built on the existing conflict.
                “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

                “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
                ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

                "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
                ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

                "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

                Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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                • #9
                  Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

                  You know ethnic tensions or not,this kind of open killing shows a throwback to human barbarism,like the roman conquests,or the Huns sacking a city and raping and killing even children.
                  In my mind there is NO excuse that can be used as a defense for this kind of brutality to other humans,and I wonder sometimes we call some things "Humanitarian",when the word human could provoke an image of these actions.
                  When a human does the right thing,we call them a hero,but if doing the right thing is heroic,then I think we are all pretty much doomed in the long run because we seem to be running short on Heroes..Remembering history about these things,how far have we come to become civilized enough for them never again to happen.
                  MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

                  all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
                  NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
                  don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




                  sigpic

                  my new page here,let me know what you think.


                  nothing but the shadow of what was

                  witchvox
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                  • #10
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                    Well, it's not like the Turks ever had thousands of their people killed off as well. Pre modern genocides include the masses of non converting Germanic pagans, as well as the Turkish people by the Christian state.
                    For example, some 4000 Heathens, men, women, and children, slaughtered by a conquering Christian army, just because they didn't believe in Jesus Christ. That same army displaced a mass number of 80,000 Turks, into wilderness and mountains, where they either got captured by the army, or starved to death.
                    "In the shade now tall forms are advancing,
                    And their wan hands like snowflakes in the moonlight are gleaming;
                    They beckon, they whisper, 'Oh! strong armed in valor,
                    The pale guests await thee - mead foams in Valhalla.'"
                    - Finn's Saga

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                    • #11
                      Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

                      The Influenza epidemic of 1918 gets a lot of attention yet most people never realize there have been many influenza epidemic's in the US alone. Some rather small in area of effect, others also acting on a global scale. The 1918 epidemic itself consisting of many "Blossoms" that erupted here and there even reappearing in area's where it had already occurred and passed.

                      My Great-grandfather and Great-grandmother were both bed ridden with influenza in 1921 as part of that epidemic in Virginia. They both had survived the 1918 episode but my great-grandfather would not survive the 1921 bout. My great-grandmother would not only lay there next to her husband as he died but would deliver a daughter a few weeks later. Years later she would tell us about it though mostly as second hand knowledge that became part of family lore and was passed down.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Random and mostly forgotten moments in history

                        A brief history of rioting in America:

                        (this is nowhere NEAR all of them...maybe 1/3 of the biggies (if I'd noted every Know Nothing or 1960 riot, I'd have written a book))


                        Cincinnati Riots of 1792, 1829, 1836, 1841, 1853, 1861, 1862, 1884, 1941, 1955, 1967, and 1968

                        NYC Anti-abolition Riots 1834

                        1835 Baltimore Bank Riot

                        1837 NYC Flour Riot

                        Philly Prayer Riots of 1844 (Nativist/ Know Nothing Riot)

                        Astor Place Riots of 1845

                        1850 Squatters Riot of Sacramento (wasn't sure if this one counted, since CA wasn't a state yet)

                        1851 Christia

                        Bloody Monday Riots of Louisville (one of many Nativist and Know-Nothing Party Riots)

                        1855 Portland Rum Riot

                        1855 Lager Beer Riot of Chicago (Know Nothing Riot)

                        1857, NYC's Great Police Riot (Nativist/Know Nothing Riots)

                        The Draft Riots of 1863


                        1864 Southern Bread Riots

                        1866 Memphis Race "Riots" (IMO, Massacre)

                        New Orleans Race Riots

                        1867 Pulaski Riot (TN)

                        1870-71 Orange Riots ("Irish Troubles" in New York)

                        Meridian, Mississippi 1871

                        1871 Chinese Massacre LA

                        1885 Tacoma Anti-Chinese Riots (Washington not a state yet)

                        1886 Haymarket Affair

                        Robert Charles Riot 1900

                        Houston Mutiny of 1917

                        E. St L riots of 1917

                        1919 "Red Summer" Race Riots:

                        1932 Ford Hunger March

                        1923 Rosewood Massacre

                        1934 Minneapolis General Strike Riots

                        1938 Hilo Massacre

                        1943 Zoot Suit Riots:


                        1944 Fort Lawton Riot

                        1944 Agana Race Riots (in Guam, but between US servicemen)

                        1945 Nylon Riots

                        1949 Peekskill Riots

                        1951 Cicero Race Riot

                        1965 Watts Riot

                        1967-69, Riots everywhere (nearly 150 in 1967 alone):


                        1971 Attica Prison Riots

                        1977 Houston Moody Park Riots

                        1979 White Night Riots

                        1980 Miami Riots

                        1987 Atlanta Prison Riots

                        1991 Mt Pleasant Riot

                        1992 LA Riots

                        2001 Seattle Mardi Gras Riot

                        2005 Toledo Riot


                        Something to maybe cheer you up? A Bonus Mini-Riot--Disco Demolition Night 1971 (maybe not really a riot, but a crowd lit stuff on fire, and it was interesting, so I'm including it here). Sports Riots are a thing.


                        If you bother to read all this (and I don't blame you if you don't), or watch the videos, you will see a theme...
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                        “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

                        “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
                        ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

                        "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
                        ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

                        "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

                        Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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                          “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

                          “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
                          ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

                          "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
                          ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

                          "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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                            9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

                            10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

                            11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
                            Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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                              For in much wisdom is much grief,
                              And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
                              “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

                              “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
                              ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

                              "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
                              ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

                              "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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