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    Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

    A Texas Bill, if passed, will allow teachers to use deadly force against students.

    On one hand, I think about the friends and family I have that are teachers, and how hard it must be to not be able to defend yourself against a student that might be attacking you.

    On the other hand, I am worried how allowing a teacher to use deadly force will make situations escalate more quickly.

    What do you think?
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    #2
    Re: Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

    Err, my issue is why does this need special legislation?

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    http://nationalparalegal.edu/public_documents/courseware_asp_files/criminalLaw/defenses/DefenseofOthers.asp


    is pretty standard to my knowledge. Is there something weird about Texas law where Defense of Others needs to be expanded? Lethal Force is already covered inside Defense of Others so...

    What's going on here?
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      #3
      Re: Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

      I would say "because Texas", but that's not exactly fair...even if Texas does get a little wacky with that kind of stuff.
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        #4
        Re: Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

        No. It is 'because Texas'.
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          Re: Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

          I dont't think anyone should be given special dispensation to use deadly force as a routine part of their employment without extensive training and oversite. And heck, schools can't pay for that.


          Because Texas, ftw
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            Yah, this is the one I mentioned on the first "what's wrong with Texas" thread. The thing that disturbed me the most is that the legislation allows for the use of deadly force if the student is damaging, or believed will damage, school property. Taking out some property, peeps, not even a living being, is grounds for execution. Of course, when we lived in Texas the "he needed killing" defense was still viable.

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              Originally posted by thalassa View Post
              I dont't think anyone should be given special dispensation to use deadly force as a routine part of their employment without extensive training and oversite. And heck, schools can't pay for that.


              Because Texas, ftw
              I'm perfectly okay granting teachers dispensation to use lethal force in a scenario where a reasonable being would believe that it is the only reliable method of preventing someone from killing the teacher in question, another member of the faculty or a student. My only problem is that it shouldn't require any additional legislation.

              I have that dispensation without being a teacher.

              My problem is expanding it.
              life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

              Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

              "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

              John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

              "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

              Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis


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                #8
                Re: Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

                Yeh,if student is coming at you with a machete for some reason,you "Might" be in Texas,and your open carry might be a good idea..
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                  If you live in a community where you feel the absolute need to carry your gun around at all times..like to the super market, to your church, to your school, to your dentist's office...your community might just be completely full of assholes.
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                    Originally posted by Medusa View Post
                    If you live in a community where you feel the absolute need to carry your gun around at all times..like to the super market, to your church, to your school, to your dentist's office...your community might just be completely full of assholes.
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                      Texas chainsaw massacre...Nuff said.....
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                        Re: Teachers Allowed To Use Deadly Force?

                        Originally posted by Hawkfeathers View Post
                        We have a gun show coming up here at the Civic Center, on Valentine's Day. Isn't it romantic? Skip the roses & chocolate, I'll take that Desert Eagle, honey!
                        Well, some of us find weapons sexy!
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                          Seriously, in this area, pretty much everyone is armed. It's simply not a big deal. Kids hunt by age 6. They do not shoot each other - you don't hear of that here. We have crime issues like drugs, overdue library books, some random robberies, but it's considered very normal to carry a gun. I went to the gun show one year, and was a little shocked to see both guns and ammo out in the open for sale - my NY/NJ upbringing was telling me some nut could easily buy stuff, go in the parking lot, load up, and come back in blazing....but here, it's kinda the safest place to be. Our teachers are armed in the classrooms. Somehow, I firmly believe this is the last place in America where a school shooting would happen.
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                            Originally posted by Hawkfeathers View Post
                            Seriously, in this area, pretty much everyone is armed. It's simply not a big deal. Kids hunt by age 6. They do not shoot each other - you don't hear of that here. We have crime issues like drugs, overdue library books, some random robberies, but it's considered very normal to carry a gun. I went to the gun show one year, and was a little shocked to see both guns and ammo out in the open for sale - my NY/NJ upbringing was telling me some nut could easily buy stuff, go in the parking lot, load up, and come back in blazing....but here, it's kinda the safest place to be. Our teachers are armed in the classrooms. Somehow, I firmly believe this is the last place in America where a school shooting would happen.
                            Oh, don't be modest, Hawkfeathers, Texas is well represented on the list of school shooting at Wikipedia.

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                              Originally posted by nbdy View Post
                              Oh, don't be modest, Hawkfeathers, Texas is well represented on the list of school shooting at Wikipedia.
                              I'm in the Ozarks, (south central MO, north central AR), not Texas! I'm 200 miles from an airport and 100 miles from a mall.
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