View Poll Results: Stealing is

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Thread: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

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    Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    Is it every okay to steal something?

    When? Why? What? Does monetary value matter? What about *need*? Is it morally acceptable to steal food if you are starving? Is illegal downloading stealing; is it ever morally justifiable? Is plagiarism stealing? Is it worse to steal from someone that is poor than someone that is rich?
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    Morally unjustifiable, for one, it's goes against two of the nine virtues of my kin, and secondly, I've been stolen from before, and the money missing was needed badly at the time. Never take from one who has worked hard to have what they have. It's not yours, don't touch it.
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    If you steal bead because you are hungry. I get it. If you steal my cell phone, i'm beating you up.
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    If you steal bead because you are hungry. I get it. If you steal my cell phone, i'm beating you up.
    My initial reply was probably going to be a little more lengthy but yeah, what Medusa said. ^^^

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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kindred View Post
    My initial reply was probably going to be a little more lengthy but yeah, what Medusa said. ^^^
    Lol, mine too...
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    What about taking an axe or gun from someone likely to kill someone with it? Technically that's stealing too - he or she hasn't committed a crime (yet) but we think they might. And it's their gun or axe and not mine and I've taken it from them. So yes, it's stealing. And yes, I think it can be morally justified.
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    To me, the only thing that justifies stealing is need. Stealing food when you're hungry or clothes when you're cold and can't afford, it's the better of two evils... what Medusa said.
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    Seems Duce that you have caught a wave here with the "Must eat" defense..I must therefore agree to go all Les Misérables on you for allowing Jean Valjean to get away with stealing bread...I will chase you to the ends of the earth because I am a dick when it comes to the law...( Ya know I am more the Robin Hood type anyway)
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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    Here in the UK under the current government, people on benefits are being sanctioned - left with absolutely nothing for weeks - for ridiculous reasons, like being two minutes late for a job centre appointment. They're starving and so they're stealing. That doesn't make it right, but it is understandable.

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    Re: Right or Wrong #2: Stealing

    I'd say that it's wrong in most cases, but if you're starving and will die otherwise, I think stealing food is justifiable.

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