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    Sadly but predictably, they begin to eat their own. http://www.ozarksfirst.com/story/d/s...PUaZJn_SHFqqXQ
    I'm pretty sure that they don't consider an inclusive Christian denomination "their own"....
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    Re: Church & State News

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    Our state (Iowa) allows a blessing at the opening of the state senate and house so long as the blessing is inclusive. A Wiccan member of my church will be the first Wiccan in the country to offer a blessing at the state level. http://www.kcrg.com/subject/news/wic...house-20150328
    An update on this. Deb is still planning to be there, but there are already people picketing. She made a comment in one interview about how many Wiccans didn't want to claim the title witch because of the negative stereotypes Christians associate with the word due to the bible. The article quoted her as simply saying that the word witch has a bad reputation. So there are chunks of the pagan community out to get her for that one. And the Christians...duh. There is a chance the Westboro's are going to show up, but they weren't there yet on Saturday night, likely because of Easter. We're expecting them by Tuesday. The invocation is on Thursday.

    And then she made a comment in one interview about how she has her first degree in the Cabot tradition. So the Cabot's are on her now and have given her an ultimatum. The invocation she was going to do was an inclusive one more in line with the Unitarian Universalist ideologies (she is also a lay minister for the UU). She was told by the Cabots (the daughter was the one who called her) that she could not act as a UU minister and a Cabot priestess. If she did not do the invocation in the Cabot tradition, she would loose their backing and her priesthood. And since the invocation is required by state to be inclusive, she's not sure if they are going to allow her to do the Cabot invocation. In which case she will be calling them back and going from there.
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    And then she made a comment in one interview about how she has her first degree in the Cabot tradition. So the Cabot's are on her now and have given her an ultimatum. The invocation she was going to do was an inclusive one more in line with the Unitarian Universalist ideologies (she is also a lay minister for the UU). She was told by the Cabots (the daughter was the one who called her) that she could not act as a UU minister and a Cabot priestess. If she did not do the invocation in the Cabot tradition, she would loose their backing and her priesthood. And since the invocation is required by state to be inclusive, she's not sure if they are going to allow her to do the Cabot invocation. In which case she will be calling them back and going from there.


    ...And this is why we continue to have bad PR.

    Seriously. Public change is incremental. It requires baby steps, it takes coddling, and coaxing, and compassion, and buckets of patience. Decades of work*. For groups of people that are all *oh, ancient traditions and ideals*, they sure don't understand concepts of communites very well.

    And what happends when someone finally has this opportunity?

    Oh, well...if you don't do it *my* way, it doesn't count and I will fry you publically.




    *and that is decades of behind the scenes work just to get to the point where visible activism can work, and even then (if you look at the Civil Rights movement in the US as an example, it took over 10 years of protests) it takes years of civil action to get real change
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    Re: Church & State News

    I only have this to say...see Duce's cartoon from the other thread once again..

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    Re: Church & State News

    These just in:

    Atheist Mom Gets Threats After School Cancels 'Bible Man' Visits

    "We just can't get over how much hate there is in their loving, Christian hearts," the mother, who has not been identified due to the nature of the threats, told the station.


    And this here:

    Oklahoma Satanist church wants permission to distribute books in elementary school

    Less than two weeks after a third-grade teacher in Duncan, Okla., distributed Gideon Bibles to her students, the Church of Ahriman, a Satanist church in Oklahoma City, has asked permission to distribute Satanist literature at Woodrow Wilson Elementary School.
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    Goose/Gander need I say more?
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    Re: Church & State News

    How to use shitty laws to your advantage:

    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    And so it goes,don't feed the homeless,it only encourages them to remain alive and we can't be having that now can we.

    Humans:can't live with them,can't kill them,and for sure can't feed them.(turns in my membership to the human race back in)
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    So once again "Attacks on religion" in the news...I am getting really tired of hearing the whining here. many remember,or have "Blue" laws in place still. Those laws banning selling stuff on a Sunday..among other things.

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    Working in retail, I have no problem with Blue Laws. They may have been designed for religious purposes but I want holidays back. You do not need to be shopping on Thanksgiving or at 12 AM Black Friday. You will even live if you don't get to go clothes shopping on Sunday. I don't need them to specifically ban retail on religious dates but I would love to shove some non-shopping days down the throat of the US population.
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