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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    Trump has succeeded in one thing for sure: Showing that my parents and my friend's parents were dead wrong. We were told as young, attractive girls never to allow anyone to take compromising photos of us because they could turn up someday and compromise our or our spouse's career.
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      Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

      Originally posted by ThePaganMafia View Post
      Not really though. He showed he had the backbone of a politician when he endorsed everything he campaigned against by supporting a neo-liberal war criminal.

      He talked about Revolution. He talked about Socialism. Except he was never an actual Socialist. He joined a bourgeoisie ruling Party. He then endorsed their canidiate. Sounds pretty par for the course in America, really.

      Some Revolution.
      Thing is if you are waiting for a Vladimir Lenin,or even Lennon & McCartney,and "You say you want a revolution" you might be waiting a VERY long time.


      Perfect seldom comes along,and even when it does,sometimes it turns really dark. Like the cultural revolution in china and Pol Pot in Cambodia

      POL POT.

      That did not turn out well,An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from starvation, overwork and executions.

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      In truth it usually comes out like this.
      MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

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      NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
      don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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        Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

        Originally posted by anunitu View Post
        Thing is if you are waiting for a Vladimir Lenin,or even Lennon & McCartney,and "You say you want a revolution" you might be waiting a VERY long time.


        Perfect seldom comes along,and even when it does,sometimes it turns really dark. Like the cultural revolution in china and Pol Pot in Cambodia

        POL POT.

        That did not turn out well,An attempt by Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot to form a Communist peasant farming society resulted in the deaths of 25 percent of the country's population from starvation, overwork and executions.
        Im not waiting for anybody. Electoral politics does not work. And if you've ever read Marx or Engels you would know the Revolution is also not centered around individuals.

        Also Pol Pot wasn't a Communist. But, we'll covienently ignore Western Imperialism and gemocide in Cambodia when it supports our anto-Socialist arguments.

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          That sounds like 60-70's young communist stuff,My ex's late husband was a young communist...he hung out with wavy Gravy on the hog farm..that whole period people kept saying "come the revolution",but those same people became the yuppies when they graduated collage.

          Time changes everything...it always has and always will.

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          This explains a LOT

          Ben Carson and Satanic Hillary

          So Hillary used her satanic powers to force Trumps Wife to include Michelle Obama's speech in part of her own speech.

          That,or Ben Carson has indulged in the cool-aid.
          MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

          all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
          NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
          don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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            Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

            Originally posted by ThePaganMafia View Post
            Not really though. He showed he had the backbone of a politician when he endorsed everything he campaigned against by supporting a neo-liberal war criminal.

            He talked about Revolution. He talked about Socialism. Except he was never an actual Socialist. He joined a bourgeoisie ruling Party. He then endorsed their canidiate. Sounds pretty par for the course in America, really.

            Some Revolution.
            Oh my! You certainly have the words down pat!

            Let's see if you actually know anything...

            What is "bourgeoisie"? Why is it bad? What do you want to do about/with/to them? How will that make things better?

            ????

            Maybe split this off into a separate thread so I'll have something g to laugh at? Could go into the funnybones section...
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              Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

              Might do as a separate thread. Back in the 70's I used to glaze over hearing those "Revolutionaries" rant on about everything.. and as I said,they mostly went on to become yuppies. The ones that kept going were in the SDS and the weathermen and also the SLA...many died,some went to jail,and others went on the run...but the revolution never arrived...
              MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

              all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
              NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
              don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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                Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                What? If you're just trying to call me stupid no reason to beat around the bush just say it. Do you actually have something constructive to say on it?

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                Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                Might do as a separate thread. Back in the 70's I used to glaze over hearing those "Revolutionaries" rant on about everything.. and as I said,they mostly went on to become yuppies. The ones that kept going were in the SDS and the weathermen and also the SLA...many died,some went to jail,and others went on the run...but the revolution never arrived...
                Yep, middle class whites went on to keep being middle class. Meanwhile the State cracked down, jailed and murdered the minority Revolutionary groups. I'm far from a yuppy. I was in the military. I saw the bullshit and Imperialism first hand-was a part of it. That's where my passion comes from not some college campus. So, laugh at my opinions all you want but I care about this shit more than anything else. It's all I read about. It's all Im involved in. Social and economic justice and the come uppance of the working class.

                Have ya'lls laugh.

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                  Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                  Please,you are not the only one here that served in the Military. Vietnam killed many of my friends,war happens mainly because humans are one of the stupidest creatures on this planet. Everyone is going to save the world,but usually just ends up screwing things up even worse. It is not the first rodeo for many of us,having seen things repeat over and over because some people still think it will come out different and life will be better. There really is nothing new under the sun..just people who believe their thoughts are all shiny and new,and they will have a different outcome.

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                  Give it about 20 years..and you "Might" end up like Abby Hoffman.

                  Here is his story.
                  MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

                  all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
                  NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
                  don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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                    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                    Yeah, but I don't sit here and talk about having a laugh at your opinion. I'm fucking abrasive but I don't dismiss what you have to say because it doesn't fit in my worldview.

                    I don't talk aboit my military experience at all but when I do it's to explain why I see things this way. And thats the only time I will bring it up.

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                      Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                      A lot of Vets are living on the streets because of how war screwed them up, and I do understand why you feel the way you do. The world is a very harsh place,and people suffer and die because mostly others do not care for anything but their own needs. If this country was better,there would not be homeless people,their would never have been gay bashing that killed people,or lynching of blacks,or strike breakers that were sometimes off duty cops with clubs. Money is the drug that most are addicted to..even when we say to ourselves we are not "Hooked"

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                      Bernie moved the marker a lot left..better than no movement at all. I do believe we have not heard the last from him also....He will be up Hillary's butt scratching away to make sure the changes stay.
                      MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

                      all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
                      NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
                      don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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                        Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                        Originally posted by ThePaganMafia View Post
                        What? If you're just trying to call me stupid no reason to beat around the bush just say it. Do you actually have something constructive to say on it?
                        No, not trying to call you stupid. Just trying to find out if you are...

                        ...so, can you answer the questions...

                        ... and say something constructive that isn't empty jingoistic Blablabla?
                        Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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                          Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                          Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post
                          No, not trying to call you stupid. Just trying to find out if you are...

                          ...so, can you answer the questions...

                          ... and say something constructive that isn't empty jingoistic Blablabla?
                          I haven't said anything jingoistic. I would think my beliefs would be anti-jingoistic. But, in reference to Marxism, bourgeoisie is the social class that controls production. They are the class that is most invested in the current economic order. Whereas the working class(the protoleriat) have no control over production and limited social mobility due to institutions that were put in place to maintain order among the working class(the police and priaons being a good example of this).

                          As for Revolution I my visions is mass radical and working class movements and the means of production being siezed and controlled by the workers. The closest thing to that we have seen in the U.S. was the Labor movements. Subterranean Fire bySharon Smith is an excellent book on the subject.

                          Dialectical materialism which is the foundation of Marxist thought is a system of anyalyais on social change and evolution(it's a touch subject. I'm still getting my head around dialectics). The Logic of Marxism by Novack is a great begginers guide into Dialectics. The Meaning of Marxism by Paul D'amoto has a good introductory chapter of dialectical materialism.

                          Engel's Socialism: Utopian and Scientific is a really good read. Lately I've been reading critical views on the U.S. Democratic Party. Democrats: A Critical History by Lance Selfa and No One Was Killed: The Democratic National Convention August 1968.

                          Next on my reading list is Marx's Capital I,II, and III.

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                            Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                            The Isms tend to structure much as religion does,the dogma of the ISM does not change even when it should as the world changes. Generally revolution as solution does not fare well. I include Capitalism in those ISMS as well. Not unlike the old "Mother church" most will not yield to change,and even outright war and Murder might come into play to keep the ISMS from being changed.

                            What is right,does not always win out,and what is wrong is sometimes destroyed by the weight of its own greed and inner rot.

                            Time consumes everything,humans as well as great society's have fallen by the wayside. In the span of eternity,everything has its end.

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                            Remember this saying?
                            MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

                            all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
                            NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
                            don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.




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                            my new page here,let me know what you think.


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                              Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

                              People's revolution has always been a succesful mechism for societal change except when external forces undermine it. The CIA has been the most counterrevolutionary force in the world in this manner. The war on drugs, the militarized police, the FBI have all worked very hard to destroy any semblance of organized working class movements in this country. Fear of change ia no reason to keep the status quo.

                              Especially since we are going to elect a President who qill probabluly embroil us in more senseless war and continue the polocy of environmental destruction.

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